Why is it so hard to get some prescription drugs in the needed quantities?

I got a GIANT bottle of Vicodon recently. Wasn't even in that much pain, unless you are a complete puss job. I beat the **** out of myself by crashing into a rock garden at high speed. I even got a refill because it hurt to breath that first day. So I took one and was like, whoa. I can see why people get addicted to them. So I took some walmart bottled pain killer and was fine. But I refilled my prescription anyway. I save them for Chicks who come over to party - they love them - and occasionally sell some to punk ass kids. Jk. They are just setting in my cabinet.

Which Mountain State are you in exactly?? And how big are we talking? A normal sized bottle of Vicodin ES around my house is 120 tabs. Small is 60 - 90. I'm not sure about regular Vicodin, I've only had them a few times. when I hurt my back I had to take 8 of them at a time to get anything so they were like well, here is Vicodin ES don't take as many.

So I'd take around 5 of those at a time..... Not for long though. A month or two and they start getting weird about refills.

Anyway for those who follow my medical situation or this thread:

I'm finally having my operation.

I was told almost two years ago my Ankle wasn't going to heal on it's own and I needed BOTH Ankles opened up and the bones scraped to get the fragments off. I had my Mom call my Dr. To have the stuff set up and my Dr called this morning and sai to go back where I had the other 3 MRI's done, and I have to talk to a Dr who told me I should take Tylenol when I had a misplaced knee cap.....

But I'm only going to him again because I want another MRI to see how it's looking inside and when the Surgery can be done.

The only thing that worries me about this Dr is he is REALLY a non believer in the motto "Pain Killers are good for pain".... I'm scared shitless that I'm going to come out of surgery with a Children's Aspirin sitting next to me.

Remember something, I have had Dilauded and it didn't make me tired, or high, so you can imagine why I'm scared of what he's goign to say. He seems to think I want pain killers to get high on.... Yet, I've yet to find a Pain Killer that gives me a high other than Morphine.

Vicodin ES, 5 at a time, doesn't make me stoned. Yea, odd I know. But I don't react to Opiates the way most do. I don't get tired, but somewhat hyper. I don't get all stoned or buzzed, though I have had Euphoria from them.

But that's why I'm scared. He told me to take Tylenol, AND he is the guy who gave me a Cortizone shot in my knee cap WITHOUT FREEZING IT ALL THE WAY, which put me in the Hospital when I had a severe allergic reaction.

I've came close to hitting this guy. He throws around his degree using all medical terms for bones, he has treated me badly in the past, and when I was younger he was checking my leg out once, and when I answer what I thought was his question, he said "I'm not talking to you, be quiet"....

So I'm scared because he'd be doing the surgery, he doesn't like me, and I get quite a feeling that he thinks I'm in it for the Vicodin. Which if that was true, I have guns, I'd get it myself. *Sigh*.

I know I need surgery, I just would like it if someone other than him was doing it. Hell, a redneck with a chainsaw would worry me less.

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I know I need surgery, I just would like it if someone other than him was doing it. Hell, a redneck with a chainsaw would worry me less.

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Imagine a world were George Bush picks the doctor you go to.

He was on Cocaine, he knows about numbing it ;)

I forgot about that. He was a party animal drinking drug junkie. Like most people at 20. Clinton on the other hand didn't inhale, and Ted still thinks he's 20. :D

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Originally posted here by gore
Most Tooth ache meds back then were just Cocaine. Which is still used today for Eye Surgery. Dental work to even now.... Well, Novacaine, Xylocaine... They have Caine in them for a reason, because they were made from Cocaine.

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Not actually true at all.
Novocaine (the first in this name family of artificial anaesthetics) was named Nova (new) caine (after cocaine).
I don't know of any standard local anaesthetics that actually contain or are derived from cocaine.

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATC_code_N01 for a starting point if you're after real information...

Containing and derived from are two different things. That's like saying Heroin is not derived from Morphine because it's made synthetically.

Those ARE derived from Cocaine and if you'd ever had eye surgery or you were a Dr who does this you'd know that for Eye surgery, they still do use it. The Hospital I was in this year had actual liquid Cocaine. And what you said contradicts the other thing you said.

You said Novacaine stands for basically new Cocaine, and then you say it doesn't contain it, which is true, but then you say it isn't derived from it.... Linux is Derived from UNIX, it isn't true UNIX, but acts the same. Therefore, it is right to say it was derived from it. Cocaine is the blue print for all numbing agents.

Next you're going to tell me you actually believe Opiates numb pain right? Which is another common misconception.

When I said they were made from Cocaine, I meant in the Blue print way, not the atom structure of Cocaine being cloned. I stand by that. Dental work and surgery would be next to impossibly without Cocaine and Opiates.

Some surgery is possible without it, as you could use Ether, but I doubt a Hospital actually has any lying aruond today. Eye surgery however would be impossible.

I forgot to brag about Germany again:


Hydrocodone, which makes life grand for anyone touching it, was actually done in Germany. When it came to the USA and was tested, I believe in the 30's, the guy used methods which were slightly cruel to say the least.

The man would test Pain Kilers on Cats. He put a vice on their paw and would twist it until they gave a responce. He would then give them a pain killer. Test again, wait for responce by slowly turning the vice and making it hurt.

Well, Morphine, which all pain killers and all Opiates are compared to, of course was #1.

But he noted Hydrocodone came very close to how well it treated these minor aches and pains.... He also noted saying to the US govt "You have to be careful with this stuff, it not only works but you would feel like calling your Telephone service provider just to tell them how good of a job they are doing"... He wasn't joking. Hydrocodone is a strange strange Opioid.

It's a Schedual 3 in the US because even though there is huge abuse potential, mixed with Acetaminophen it becomes less of a potential.

Well, until the American people discovered something called Cold water extraction. Remove Tylenol from the Opiate, and you save your liver.

As with all Opiates, if you take them in pain, you don't feel as much of the Euphoria. However, taking thwem when you are in no pain.... Well, you know how an Orgasm feels? Times that by 1000 and pretend it lasts 4 hours instead of 7 seconds.

^That is what most say Heroin feels like and they aren't lying. I refuse to touch Heroin, but the human body releases something similar to it during orgasm.

Did you know no one has ever figured out WHY the Poppy plant contains Morphine? Or how a small little plant can create on it's own something as complex as an Alkaloid?

One theory which is a lesson in Symbiosis is that Poppy plants contain Morphine to ensure Humans will cultivate them.

Genius isn't it?

Well here is my Theory:

Papaver Somniferum contains Morphine simply because God put it there as a sign of how much He loves us.

True Morphine addiction can be hell, but that has a reason I think too.




If you aren't Christian, you probably aren't going to agree with this, however, I am a Christian and so I do believe this as true:

God made the Poppy Plant specially for all. The feelings you get from it, show you a small portion of what Heaven is like.

Addiction, however, happens. The reason? As I see it, addiction is there for a very important purpose.

The only time addiction is a problem is when it's outlawed. Think for example, of the alcoholics during prohibition. They had no probelms in life until Uncle Sam stuck his head up his ass AGAIN.

Same with with Morphine, it was cheap, available and over the counter.

In WW2 one of Hitler's BEST air men was a Morphine Addict for 50 years. However Morphine was Available easily to him, and therefore was not a problem. Even something as strong as Morphine addiction isn't a problem when you can get it.



So back to my theory:

Opium and everything in that plant, show you a small portion of what Heaven feels like. Withdrawels, show you a small portion of what Hell feels like.

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Originally posted here by gore
The only time addiction is a problem is when it's outlawed. Think for example, of the alcoholics during prohibition. They had no probelms in life until Uncle Sam stuck his head up his ass AGAIN.

So back to my theory:

Opium and everything in that plant, show you a small portion of what Heaven feels like. Withdrawels, show you a small portion of what Hell feels like.

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I'm remember to tell that to the...

...junky we put on respitory support and Naloxone, the kid with the pump down his throat, the bum whom pissed away his coins on meth instead of food, the two children whose mother was addmitted to Telemetry because of an alcoholic behind the wheel, or the girl whom probably won't be able to get the taste of charcoal out of her mouth for a week; who all came through my ER recently.

Hmmmm,

I think that this thread is not about addiction, but about ethical pharmaceuticals?

Almost by definition, "addiction" is a bad thing, but in that context it goes way beyond prescription medicines. "Designer drugs", solvent abuse, gambling, overeating?............remember that there are psychological dependencies as well as physiological ones.

The real issue seems to be in the case of the terminally ill and those in chronic pain. In these cases, the physiological addiction would seem to be far outweighed by the alleviation of suffering. At least that is the way we seem to look at things over here. I guess it is one of those undesirable side effects, like nausea, giddiness, allergic rashes, stomach upsets and the like that you get with other pharmaceutical products?

I have come across quite a few people who are addicted to laxatives. This is a psychological dependency fuelled by gross ignorance. I have not heard of laxatives going POM though?

:)