Not trying to start an OS holy war here, but I'm finding myself completely unsurprised. Really. Utterly and Totally.Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptonic
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Not trying to start an OS holy war here, but I'm finding myself completely unsurprised. Really. Utterly and Totally.Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptonic
I have Vista Home Premium OEM version and the price is quite reasonable. I bought it from OCUK and two of us shared postage. My contribution which was the copy plus half their postage cost came to £83 - I reckon that's OK.
I have noticed Explorer crashing on my Business Box. It crashes quite nicely actually. A pop up comes up that says Internet explorer must be shut down. I am not sure if this is unruly code or a bug at this point. And unlike XP it only crashes a single window.
As for outbound firewalling. I am in the HT camp on that one. I hardly ever use outbound firewall rules. Don't get me wrong I have sniffers and shapers and the lot but no outbound firewalling on anything unless it becomes necessary. And with vista it already asks about program access. In fact I am QUILTY of something HT mentioned. I am so used to pushing "allow" on my Vista box to the constant "This action requires your approval" I went to a site I have NEVER been too and OOOPS. LOL it's funny actually. Nothing happened it was just a script to populate a table but.... that's an example.
Even copying a folder in vista requires user approval. "Did you initiate this task?" Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Holy war or not. Vista is Cool. And i am not so convinced it's not perfect for home users with new PCs. It's got the best setup and autoconfig I have ever seen so far. It also connects and updats BEFORE installing the OS.
That drives me nuts as well. :fpissed:Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadClosed
That is really my point. The operating system is always asking but the firewall does not............. kind of inconsistent as I see it.
I think that an outbound firewall is useful for inexperienced users. Provided they understand what it is for and what it does. People who "just click through" are doomed anyway IMO.
I have also used firewalls to resolve conflicts............. you don't always know what is on there trying to phone home for an update: if it is legitimate software it isn't always obvious, and I have found ZoneAlarm very useful in quickly identifying the culprits;)
OK, not what you are supposed to use it for, but if it works :D
Yesterday I saw ClamWin update itself in the middle of AVG updating itself..........all credit to the software engineers there................OK, I am sure that there are much more suitable tools for serious developers, but my requirements are pretty rudimentary.
I also cheat and use "memory managers" in the same way..............I never let them actually manage the RAM, just tell me what is happening. I find that I get a much better picture than by just using Windows tools alone.
Like HT~ I have never been infected unless I fired it off deliberately, so my arguments are somewhat academic. I don't work in the professional IT security sector as HT~ does, and my comments are largely based on my experiences of home users.:eek:
Anybody at all experience MS's Vista VLA? Anybody? Nobody? I'm real curious
as to the practical effects of the license authentication in the new VLA.
Got my first helpdesk call for Vista yesterday. A remote user (an engineer) using
a home-built unit having network issues on the domain. Ugh, I'm flyin' blind.
Reminds me of pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey. Didn't think we'd be seeing Vista
this soon in our outfit. We're still running W2K on most desktops. Leave it to
some engineer to push us into the new stuff.
That's a very good point nihil. Vista is always asking your permission before you do anything .... yet they don't turn on outbound filtering by default! The OS could be accessing the internet with malware and you wouldn't even be warned a certain process was trying to access the net - very inconsistent!
In XP I find McAffee and Sygate very useful just to reassure me nothing is trying to "phone home" and would have rather liked the same in Vista. I actually turned off UAC because it was so irritating - they've gone OTT on this IMHO, while doing nothing with their firewall. The Vista firewall is more useful than the XP one, but I'm still surprised they didn't make it more aggressive given their approach to everything else.
In my world the users don't get to see let alone choose an action on their systems. Two different viewpoints.Quote:
I don't work in the professional IT security sector as HT~ does, and my comments are largely based on my experiences of home users.
Well regardless of what we do for work, we all have home systems to secure. Businesses might say it was less important than what they have to secure but most of us wouldn't feel that way.
Then I'm glad I'm not part of your world.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadClosed