RPM Locked???

do you mean unsatisfied dependencies ??

Step back for a minute. Before installing, you may want to do something like
rpm -Uvh --test <rpm file >
If there are any problems with actually installing a package it should tell you. If not you can go ahead and install.


rpm -qR -p <rpm file>

will list all dependencies

then you can use

rpm -qa |grep <package> for each dependency to find out if it is installed and what version

example:

This may not be the most current version, but if I want to install AVG ;) on my Fedora system
( note here: I have changed to the directory where the .rpm file is so I don't have to list the entire path )

rpm -qR -p avg75flr-r47-a1025.i386.rpm
yeilds
rpmlib(VersionedDependencies) <= 3.0.3-1

pygtk2 >= 2.0.0

pygtk2-libglade >= 2.0.0

python >= 2.2.2

/bin/sh

/bin/sh

/bin/sh

rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1

rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1


now
rpm -qa |grep pygtk2
yeilds
pygtk2-2.12.1-6.fc9.i386

pygtk2-libglade-2.12.1-6.fc9.i386


rpm -qa |grep python
yeilds a lot, but the one I am interested in is
python-2.5.1-26.fc9.i386

and then

rpm -Uvh --test avg75flr-r47-a1025.i386.rpm
yeilds
Preparing... ########################################### [100%]

so it should install.

Did you notice the pipe in some of the above commands? ( | )
That was an example of piping the rpm command through grep to limit the output; learning the command line makes things easier!

******* OK, how about we do it the simple way. *********

Remember I mentioned yum ??

Your distro uses yum , but to be sure

rpm -qa |grep yum

So since I ( and you ) have it, how about ( for my example ) I just use

yum localinstall avg75flr-r47-a1025.i386.rpm

Now yum will check the local package for us, check dependencies, and if you have an Internet connection and the yum repositories have been configured ( which they should have been during the OS install ) yum will reach out and check those repositories for missing dependencies!
If yum can install the package it will list all the files to be installed ( including dependencies to be downloaded and installed ) and ask if it is OK.

Isn't that easier ?

Does this qualify as a tutorial ? :drink:

IKnowNot, Mandriva currently uses URPMI and not YUM (YUM is Fedora's default), but thats besides the point (you can install yum i believe on mandriva)...
WIth mandriva it is actually better to execute the rpm because the package manager will notify of dependencies and actually ask to install them.

Cider, if it is asking for dependencies either let it download them for you, or if it doesn't do that then just search for the needed files in the Install Software option then install your rpm.

Also, with mandriva i recommend using su for the sake of usability--just remember to exit your root shell when finished :D

btw, your shell script for executing your panda program is most likely going to be found in /usr/bin--maybe browse that first

if you find it, you can create a desktop shortcut by right clicking on the desktop (i am not using mandriva at the moment) and i believe there will be something to the effect of create link to application or create shortcut, etc... then you can choose a picture for your icon and make sure you fill in the line "command" with the executable's location (e.g. /usr/bin/myprogram )

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IKnowNot, Mandriva currently uses URPMI and not YUM (YUM is Fedora's default), but thats besides the point (you can install yum i believe on mandriva)..

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Well, see below. BTW, Fedora is not the only distro to use yum .

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WIth mandriva it is actually better to execute the rpm because the package manager will notify of dependencies and actually ask to install them.

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Again, see below, but what do you mean by " execute the rpm" ???????

C:\Saw , As I said, I have not used this disto for several generations, but I did search the available packages and did confirm yum is available with the base release prior to posting. However, it appears you are correct that it is not the default updater ( which is why I suggested and posted how to check to see if it is installed, ) but is is not clear ( yet ) if it is installed by default.

But per the official documentation Rpmdrake is the default package update manager.
URPMI is a command line interface apparently used ( at least at one time ) by the Rpmdrake GUI, one of several, but can not confirm this with their current documentation. :fpissed:
While searching the Internet for this post I could not come up with a man page or info page for URPMI, but I did come up with several posts complaining about the lack thereof.
( Seems to me that documentation, or lack thereof, was one of the reasons I gave up on Mandrake years ago. The distro never seemed complete, always a half-finished clone. )

Anyway, this is what Cider has, and my post should help him understand what needs to be done using RPM .
Do you disagree ???

You stated:

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WIth mandriva it is actually better to execute the rpm because the package manager will notify of dependencies and actually ask to install them.

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Although I agree RPM will notify of failed dependencies ( see the –test option I suggested, as well as the other options ) I have never known it to ask to download them. One of the wrappers, such as yum would be necessary for that. Do you know something I don't ?
( it should be noted here, that during my search for URPMI and Rpmdrake I found several references eluding to the fact that RPM should not be necessary and/or used for package install on mandriva. Maybe hype, and perhaps yum says the same thing. )

As for URPMI , although URPMI appears to be yet another wrapper for RPM , from what little I could find, ( from Mandriva Linux Rpmdrake and URPMI HOWTO )

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When installing from a local RPM there are a few things you must make sure of first. The RPM must have "mdk" (or src) in it's name. This is because then you know that the rpm has been specially built for Mandrakelinux. Installing RPM's built for other systems it can mess things up a bit, and the software you installed may not work. I say can, because in many cases they don't mess anything up - but they can.

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note again: this is several years old! But this is obviously not what is needed here!

( some of what I eluded to earlier is encompassed here : the fact that rpm's may or may not work, usually will not, unless specifically packaged so as to on systems they were not built specifically for! The other obvious fact is that URPMI requires something that was not stated: an mdk or src extension; infers URPMI requires, as did some of the other documentation I read, some type of compilation of the rpm if not specifically compiled and packaged for mindriva. Again, the documentation is sparse, correct me if I am wrong.)

Which is why I chose the AVG package as an example ! ( beside the obvious! :) )

Well, my vacation ( ie.: 12 day drunk ) is almost over. ( yes, I am drunk again ... helps extinguish the hangover! )
While I applaud you ( C:\Saw ) for your attempts to help Cider , and I think you did, as well as help me keep current on other Linux distros, I apparently am a little old school ( yes, I am old ) and prefer simple solutions. But the Distro he ( or is it she? Gender not listed ) is using is not the most mainstream. That could be a benefit for what is being attempted!

Cider :
My suggestions and descriptions for using RPM will work, and you may indeed be able to complete your objective using them. I suggest you understand them before continuing.
I would also suggest that if yum is not installed, use the mandriva package installer Rpmdrake to install it, if not done during the default install. From what I could determine from my research ( due to C:\Saw 's latest post ) is that the current mandriva default update system is not going to be around too long. ( IMHO, FWIW )
Since you are endeavoring to learn Linux, this is a good lesson on the differences of the distros.
It is also a good opportunity to learn the problems with them.

I would suggest once you have this running smoothly, since you are working with/for a major program distributor, and want to learn how it interacts with Linux, you also load ( in a virtual environment ) UBUNTU, Fedora, then SUSE. If you can get your product running on and understand how they react you will have a heads up on others. ( IMHO )

And if you need more help on mindriva, let me know: I will find a box somewhere to install it on to give you specifics. ( though it may take some time to respond as I am going to be sober and going back to work. )
I am always eager to help the inquisitive mind, as long as they are as eager to help themselves, as you appear to be!
:drink: :drink:

Woops, haven't used mandriva in a while (a few months) but the rpmdrake package manager will ask if you want to install the necessary dependencies and will download and install for you. I just mean by clicking on the rpm icon (executing the program assigned with installing the rpm--the package manager), there will be a administrative passwd dialogue and it will install the rpm along with any dependencies needed with confirmation. Try mandriva 2008.1, that's the way it works, so it is simpler (and faster) to just click on the rpm and let the package manager do its job.

your right, urpmi is command line, slipped my mind--rpmdrake is the default and rpmdrake will include necessary dependencies with user confirmation--so it isn't necessary for cider to use the console at the moment

mandriva 2008.1 is actually a very complete and acclaimed distro--one of the best at the moment--the new beta is looking that way also

btw, i just said yum is the default for fedora, not that it was fedora exclusive

Maybe something similar is happening to Cider , and maybe C:/Saw , you can tell me why this happened?

I just ran the Mandirva LiveCD

did:

[root@localhost Desktop]# rpm -Uvh --test avg75flr-r47-a1025.i386.rpm

error: Failed dependencies:

pygtk2-libglade >= 2.0.0 is needed by avg75flr-r47-a1025.i386



so, I:

[root@localhost Desktop]# rpm -qa |grep pygtk2

pygtk2.0-2.12.1-1mdv2008.1

pygtk2.0-libglade-2.12.1-1mdv2008.1


So they were obviously loaded.
I also used their " Add/Remove Software " ( which starts Rpmdrake ) to see if they were loaded, and it said they were! ( just be advised, you have to update the server and media lists for Rpmdrake if you want to add or remove programs from other then the install disks ... it did not appear to be pre-configured, at least on the LIveCD. )

When I tried ( from the Desktop ) to right click the file and open it with package installer, it failed for dependencies, but didn't exactly tell me which ones. It did however give me the option to install anyway ( which I did not. )

I preferred to do it my way:

[root@localhost Desktop]# rpm -Uvh --nodeps avg75flr-r47-a1025.i386.rpm


( For Cider , that --nodeps means don't check for dependencies, just do it even if I am stupid! )

AVG was running like a charm ( though not using real-time scanning ... did not go through the trouble of loading the dazuko module ... too tired and too sober! )

LOL - Great help guys. Was really busy the weekend, girlfriend in hospital.

Anyway I promise I will go trhough the whole post and do what I am told and report the findings.

You guys conned me to move over to linux and its @#$%^ difficult

Any I know the response I am going to get is that I am attuned to windoz. I suppose being persistant will work and learning it will benefit me in the future.

Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by Cider

LOL - Great help guys. Was really busy the weekend, girlfriend in hospital.

Anyway I promise I will go trhough the whole post and do what I am told and report the findings.

You guys conned me to move over to linux and its @#$%^ difficult

Any I know the response I am going to get is that I am attuned to windoz. I suppose being persistant will work and learning it will benefit me in the future.

Thanks again.

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Steady she goes mate.... One step at a time.. It isn't windows.. not all click click click..
Think then do..

you will find some common ground.. but it will be in unexpected areas..

you can do it.. and it won't be long and you will be giving some of us help

Google will be a good assistant...enjoy the ride..

IKnowNot, have you set up your repositories? That's one thing i can think of...

you tried to install an rpm with the livecd? Wouldn't that just install the rpm into the ram?

i'm assuming the problem is the fact that you didn't install to drive

btw, i wouldn't advise ignoring dependencies ;)

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IKnowNot, have you set up your repositories?

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yes, but that was not problem. ( BTW, shut off updates .... not needed, too much overhead )

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you tried to install an rpm with the livecd? Wouldn't that just install the rpm into the ram?

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yes. I have not been able to find a hard drive to use yet, and this works for what is needed at this point.

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btw, i wouldn't advise ignoring dependencies

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That was my point. When the test was run it showed failed dependencies.

But when I checked to see if the packages were installed, they were, and were acceptable versions.

Apparently it has to do with the way the generic rpm package was built and the way mandriva labels the packages
( review my above post and you will notice the difference. )

Which is why I said Cider may also have a similar problem.
Only after checking ( using RPM ) for failed dependencies to see if they were actually installed did I discover they were. If it is then verified that all dependencies are actually met, then one could use the --nodeps option as I did to install.

Just remember, the --nodeps option is also a good way to shoot yourself in the foot!
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By the way, on my taskbar it said updates were needed so I double clicked and updated all.

Now I dont know if this was updating from the internet or from the software packages included.