It is a color camera, the specs of the cam are posted earlier in this thread.
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It is a color camera, the specs of the cam are posted earlier in this thread.
sorry :)...so why is everything else black/white?
It happened late at night and only one flourescent light was on, see the circle of light in the vid, the camera was actually in a darker spot than the picture shows. Not sure if that answers your question but is the best I can do at the moment.
Cyber1d
I think that the change in colour and size is probably an artifact caused by the camera working at the extremes of its specs. It seems to lose colour resolution about halfway along then stays black & white. I will have another look.
Aeallison
Another simple experiment is with a reasonable quality marching compass. Walk around and find if it still holds true North, or does funny things. Start checking some distance from the building, and fix a bearing.
I would guess that at the age you suggest, there are no high tension electrical cables under the building :)
As for the dog, try standing it on a chair or stool and see if that makes a difference. If it does I would say that the source is beneath the building, rather than under it. And that it is electromagnetic, rather than electrical.
I will try and bring one of my dogs in this weekend, I will also bring in a compass. That is about the most sophisticated equipment I have access at the moment... ;) Thanks for the suggestions.
Hi,
A few more thoughts:
1. Are there any high tension cables or an electricity supply substation nearby?
2. Is there one of those cellphone towers or clusters nearby?
Naturally, I have an open mind, but would prefer to look at possible scientific explanations as well, if only to eliminate them. Would you test the dog's reaction upstairs as well as down.
Good hunting,
By the way, the objects that fall on the floor.
1. are they all from the front of shelves?
2. do they all contain metal?
There is a 3 phase set of transformers at the end of the block behind the building, no cell towers nearby.
The items that have fallen have been from the front of the "metal" shelves. No they do not contain metal, they are foodstuffs.
I will take the dog upstairs also.
I'll check back to this thread tomorrow, I am going home now.
Thats what I thought...Electromagnetic interference will really do some funky things...and if it is high enough, it will even make you see things. The dog would sense it though...wouldn't it? A leak from the transformer, and with enough humidity in the air, would also cause some funky stuff...but unlikely to be some red little dot going up the stairs, unless its following some pattern of humidity in the air....*think lightning*. I as well would rather look at all the scientific explanations of this, and try to eliminate as much as possible before making an assumption. I am not a sceptic, but I do enjoy science ;)Quote:
And that it is electromagnetic, rather than electrical.
Cybr1d, I think you missed something...Quote:
Originally posted here by Cybr1d
open the *.gif with fireworks, and move up and down the layers. See if u can notice anything. Its defenitely not a laser pointer. It is most likely a natural phenomenon...I.E. ball lightning. The center of the orb is very hot and bright. The thing itself is much smaller than it appears...just the lens on the camera shows it bigger. It moves like a lightnening at least...not as shaky but still, it does shake a bit. Something that doesn't make sense is....how come its red, in a black and white video camera? If it was recorded, it would appear black/white, not red!?....unless somebody with some extra time in their hands decided to freak out the boss? Any other employees that work there, whom might play around with the camera and the videotapes? There's 32 frames in the pic, each being the movement of the orb.
nihil it doesn't change color to me, it just becomes blury and then back to normal.
EDIT. Screw the gif :)...in the video it seems to switch from red to black and white, then back to red, then back to black/white.
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from ME!
The .gif file I attached, I also created. I took a capture of the final frame from aeallison's original video, and created a new file in Photoshop. I then made 31 more. I added a size 10 lens flare to the first image, and then moved it slightly in each following frame. I strung them together in Imageready, thus resulting in the moving .gif that appears to be just like the orignal. Rule #1 of de-bunking myths: If you can't disprove it, re-create it.
yea I did miss that ;)
Hi,
Yes, that is where I am coming from:Quote:
Thats what I thought...Electromagnetic interference will really do some funky things...and if it is high enough, it will even make you see things. The dog would sense it though...wouldn't it?
1. "Project Rainbow" had the second largest budget in WWII after "Project Manhatten" Not a good codeword IMHO given that the rainbow is the humanly visible part of the Electromagnetic Spectrum :D
2. A dog's pads are not insulated, so it might be expected to sense ground sourced EMF better than we ever could. Also, furry animals are much more sensitive to static than we are.
As for psychic phenomena, from what I have heard and read, a dog or cat will either stare fixedly at the source, or run like hell, no matter how much it loves you. Aeallison's comment that his dog just wanted to be picked up, implies that there was a blanket rather than a point source?
On the other hand I can see C9's angle: these things can be faked...............well that's a good thing, because judging from the films and TV I have seen over the past 30 years, there would not be any Americans left, as you would all have killed eachother; and John Wayne would have wiped out half the population of Japan on his own :)
I took my first ghost photograph when I was around 12 years old. Our house was built in 1733, so it looked the part. The method was very simple: Take a Nikon 35mm SLR camera, a tripod and an electronic flash gun. Mount it in the drawing room (a large reception room) and measure the distance...........calculate flash settings and divide by three................take first picture..........press advance disengage button and re-**** the shutter...........set timer, and go and pose as "ghost"..........re-**** the shutter and take last picture as picture #1.
The results were every bit as good as the supposed "genuine" ghost photos that you see.
I am awaiting the results of Aeallison's experiments with interest and am taking a reversed social engineering viewpoint. As C9 has ably demonstrated, it is easy enough to fake, so why bother?
OH!.........C9?..................well, you always get the truth with hexadecimal :D
I have not been able to find my compass (I just bought a different home and am in the process of moving) I will try to borrow or buy one by the weeks end.Quote:
I am awaiting the results of Aeallison's experiments with interest and am taking a reversed social engineering viewpoint. As C9 has ably demonstrated, it is easy enough to fake, so why bother?
OH!.........C9?..................well, you always get the truth with hexadecimal
As for the faked .gif C9 so painfully :D created, I commend you on your efforts, I did say that I saw no difference, but after viewing side by side I am sure all will agree there are major differences. I again am holding my stance on this being an un-retouched original vid I submitted. :p
Hi all,
The test with the compass revealed nothing at all, no magnetic oddities. My dog also was un-affected upstairs or anywhere else. Any more ideas?
If you have, or can borrow a reel to reel tape deck, you could set it up to record at night. There might be some sort of sound related to your orb, or to the causes behind it.
Just a thought.
I guess I have now to go for the transformers up the block, and humidity?
The dog should have sensed the other stuff.
Have you tried a minister of religion?
I am afraid that I am running out of ideas?
Cheers
I'll have to go with the transformer and humidity as well. Lets theorise a little bit more ;)....I'm sure we've thought about it, but haven't thrown the idea on the table...but static electricity? Indeed the object behaves in a manner which would lead to a life form, or "undead" for that matter...but I really think there's a scientific explanation to this. Would you be able to give me the name of the city, and/or address of this store?
Hey aeallison, you are a real sport...............a lot of people would have thought me mad :)
There are a few of us who are interested, and I do believe in the supernatural, as it happens, but not in this case........it looks like an unusual physical phenomenon to me.
Would you mind if I involved someone outside of AO?......a trusted relative with considerable scientific knowledge............he may be able to borrow some "bits" for us.........and he does have some USN contacts............and project Rainbow was one of theirs?
Don't worry.........no SEALS....maybe a few minutes of a scientist's time :) if we are lucky, and my cousin is interested.
I will await your OK or not......otherwise it remains in this forum
I hate to be a turd.
From examining the video closely the entity is entirely comprised of light.
The magnitude of the light is similar to that of a laser pointer but not that intense.
Its shape also varies a little to much for it to be the same. (Glass Refraction)
At the rear of the image when it appears to be changing direction it infact still appears visibly brighter than the surrounding objects.
Theory 1. Does the shop have a window near a street where cars are likely to be driving ?
The angles of reflection could be true with a concave window and the sharp jerk in the middle could be when it splits between panes ?
Theory 2. AEAllison infact knows the cause but none the less has a kewl orbing video.
I've made numerous pics simmilar to that one..Quote:
Most of 'm were drops of rain or dew reflecting my camera's flash..
As for ball-lightning.. I've seen it once.. was spectacular.. it "ran" thrue the rain-gutter and finaly flew into a home (thrue the (closed) window) setting it on fire..
Usualy the ball only causes "trouble" at the end of the path (which, if it was a ball unfortunately isn't in the vid)..
I think that we decided that the spots were dusts reflecting from the camera's flash. They make a cool picture though. ;)Quote:
Originally posted here by the_JinX
I've made numerous pics simmilar to that one..
Most of 'm were drops of rain or dew reflecting my camera's flash..
ROFL...Jarrod wtf? No1 invited the cop...so he got pissed and he canceled it?
OK back to the topic at hand: Any update on what it could be?
Ummm.... well my friends and I threw a decent sized rave up in the mountains above SD. The map point was at this View Point and the ranger left that to make sure further partygoers would not come ot our party. The first location was broken up by that ranger, but the second went on all night long. :) Anyway, I ended up going to Federal Court for that one. Acquitted with 6 months probation! :DQuote:
Originally posted here by Cybr1d
ROFL...Jarrod wtf? No1 invited the cop...so he got pissed and he canceled it?
OK back to the topic at hand: Any update on what it could be?
Anyways, we should get back to the topic. :p
Sorry, I havn't been around much lately as I have just bought a new home and am still in the process of moving in.
You are not being a turd d00d. I myself thought of this very theory. We (myself and the building owner) After taking this original avi I sent in we put the cam on a 24 hour video recorder and spent a lot of time scanning the tapes. This effect surely would have been recreated at least one more time, don't you think? After close scrutiny and much testing of the video we seem to agree that it appears more like a solid object with a reflective surface. The red color at the beginning of the clip could possibly coming from the cam itself, the cam is mounted in a dark corner of the store pointing below the light source (a 10 foot flourescent ligtht apx 15 feet from the floor) there is a red LED on the front of the cam. As the orb enters the light it begins to change color to white. I also seems to correct its course after moving into the light (there is a heater vent at floor level that blows a very strong breeze in that direction) if the object has mass it may have had its course altered by the breeze, and has some sort of "purpose" it may have had to correct its course (look at the vid) then as it leaves the lighted area it seems to get dimmer as it passes in front of a wall then disappears behind a solid wall (see vid). Imagine a chrome sphere, would it not reflect light back to a cam lens in such a fashion?
As for theory 2, see above...
Sorry I am out of time, I will respond to other posters ASAP.
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Originally posted here by mark_boyle2002
I hate to be a turd.
From examining the video closely the entity is entirely comprised of light.
The magnitude of the light is similar to that of a laser pointer but not that intense.
Its shape also varies a little to much for it to be the same. (Glass Refraction)
At the rear of the image when it appears to be changing direction it infact still appears visibly brighter than the surrounding objects.
Theory 1. Does the shop have a window near a street where cars are likely to be driving ?
The angles of reflection could be true with a concave window and the sharp jerk in the middle could be when it splits between panes ?
Theory 2. AEAllison infact knows the cause but none the less has a kewl orbing video.