Does anyone know mid east solution?

Hi Bimmer,
No disrespect intended, but I don't think violence is ever going to solve this. If it could, this thing would have been over long ago.

I came across this column by Mark Steyn the other day. I think he's got som really good points.

http://www.nationalpost.com/commenta...04/538584.html

well if one side must beat the other, that is a depressing thing indeed. I don't see any hope in that kind of solution. Hatred of a people is a questionable motive.

If one side has to "beat" the other (gotta love that mentality, shows you allot don't it?) then I'll put my money on Israel. An organized army is much more effective than a bunch of women with bombs wrapped around their chests. Don't you think?

P.S. I'm not putting my money on either side, That was just to prove a point. Understand?

Well Bimmer if its a war your people are striving for they most certainly got it. And dont think just cause the arabs have got your back that it will stand against the UN and USA. The super powers will crush the terrorist. Your people arent backed by the rest of the world because they use terrorism as a weapon. That AUTOMATICALLY makes you an enemy of the most powerfull country in the world.A person once said,"You don't win wars by dying for your country, you win wars by making the enemy die for his country."

I think Islam should embrace the modern world. God didnt want us to be amish. Religion as a government is wrong. New leaders that arent jewish or arab. People to mold these two groups of haters into allies. And really, if you ask me, Jews are cousins to the arabs. Ishmeal and Issac......duh

Maybe outsiders will have to solve the problem then, as it appears those too close to the situation cannot see outside of certain parameters.

well guys, as i said before ... it's not only about the land , it's a war between Islam and Jews.

and as god said
In the name of God,Most Gracious, Most Merciful

"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah[] is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah),[] unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

bimmer was god refering to something in particular when he said that, like a certain historical event at the time of its writing?

yeah ... i'll write it down ... but it might be a bit long post... here we go:

the following "surat" is from Qura'n .. it called " Baqara"="the cow" and most of it about jews.

in the name of god:
And of mankind, there are some (hypocrites) who say: "We believe in Allâh and the Last Day" while in fact they believe not.

They (think to) deceive Allâh and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves, and perceive (it) not!

In their hearts is a disease (of doubt and hypocrisy) and Allâh has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies.

And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers."

Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.

And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansâr and Al-Muhajirûn) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not.


end.
i don't want to make it soooo long so, u can just go and read here.
http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islam...e/nobae002.htm
and u'll see how they always break Covenant after ratifying it.

ciao'

I'm gonna close this thread untill world-peace is a fact.