Is it worth to install Firewall in home pc?

Catch

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I don't, I merely didn't care for the fact that another user dragged a tiff from a different thread to this one and said to ignore me.

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If it doesn't bother you, then do us all a favor. Have a coke and a smile and shut the **** up.


You yourself just said you thought this was a place for experts to chat while the rest looks on. You've made several posts in this thread. Ironically the only one that was actually relevant was the first one. So how in the **** are you adding value to the site again? As far as that goes, all you've managed to do was tell the rest of us how good you are.

This is absolutley pointless, the whole thread is wasted on ego.

I welcome your knowledge. With your attitude however, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. Sometimes in life you have to realize that while you may be correct, it isn't really worth the pissing contest to prove it. If this is the only way you feel good about yourself is to expect the rest of us to bow down at your feet. Then **** you, **** you in your mouth.

/profanity
/rant

I had no idea this site was so full of insecure little kids.
Someone please direct this to an admin to cancel my account.

Thanks,

catch

I appreciate the ap's catch. Thanks again. Oh yeah if the truth hurts say ouch.
Then cry me a river build a bridge and get over it.

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Originally posted here by catch
Installing a network printer has as much to do with being a CISSP as wearing matching colored socks has to do with being a nuclear physicist.

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Well that is pretty disconcerting considering that to receive the certification you should at least know the basics.

Just a thought. :confused:

_Edit_

Oh and now Negged by Catch, for a simple opinion.................hmmmm..pretty jumpy.

"CISSP is security only and is a consulting certification, not a technical one"



Ya man like I am a bank consultant, but I don't know how to count.????????????

Trust me I would not hire them.

This is not a flame, just wondering why I am negged for my un-insulting opinion.

That is why I lurk. :rolleyes:

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oops, where the f*** did my "close thread" button goto.....

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Originally posted here by instronics
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oops, where the f*** did my "close thread" button goto.....

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Excuse me sir Is this The Non Sencisal Thread . Ok Oopps Sorry Wrong Thread.

/Me Goes Away to Find The NonSenseical Thread

Hey Hey,

Let me just say DAMN!. It would have been my first statement but I gotta starts the threads the standard way.

I'm not contributing to this thread, neg me for it, but I've got a few comments to make about this flame war.

I can empathize with what catch is saying, I spent months protesting and fighting to get this site back to some semblance of a security site. I know exactly where he's coming from. Unfortunately this site is NOT a computer security site, no matter how much we want it to be. I've come to accept this and live with it. It's a tech support forum. You could probably find more interesting stuff on the DELL tech support site. Most of the stuff is so bland that it makes waiting for the page to load (usually under a second on high speed) seem like a waste of time. When a second or two gone is treated like a waste of time you know there's something wrong. If you lurk long enough though, you'll find the occasional post that's interesting. It's a shame, I wish there was more true security around here, but I guess it's a fact of life.

If everyone would read more closely this argument never should have started.

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Courtesy of catch
Firewalls have two uses:

1. Filtering ports, either by packet type or data content.
2. Segregating network traffic.

As you have no need for #1 if you are not running any services and your network topography doesn't call for #2, running a firewall is not only unneeded, but to do so would be a poor choice.

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Almost every comment made after that point was speaking of running services, and the fact of the matter is Windows by default has services running. So based on the fact that Windows runs services by default, catch actually did suggest a firewall. He just didn't take into account default services on Windows and assumed that the box would be hardened, which should be first nature with people, but unfortunately it isn't with most people. Pooh's comments about open ports basically goes hand in hand with catch's statements, The ports are open because services are running, both people have therefore suggested a firewall, just in different and slightly skewed ways. You just need to read the details.

A good chunk of people here have said you need a firewall just in case of things like trojans, well if the trojan comes bound to an executable called fungame.exe and you run it to play the game, then when your application based firewall asks if you want to block fungame or not, the average user is going to say, "yes allow it... i want to play the game". Right there the firewall has been rendered useless.

Someone, I'm too lazy to go look and see who it was as it is 5:14AM, mentioned how it would have protected against MSBlast. This is true, but that's a software flaw, what if your firewall software has a vulnerability to crash your machine, the same thing will start happening to your computer.

A firewall can sometimes be just as much as a hassle as not having one, and sometimes the problems can be worse. Giving a firewall to a person with no knowledge is about as useful as giving a plastic shield to someone about to face the firing squad. Give the person knowledge, explain to them when a firewall is needed, like catch did, and let them make the choice for themself.

Anyways, I think everyone needs to sit back and relax. I've seen computers run safely for years without a firewall, my own included, however I've also seen computers with firewalls hacked/cracked because people didn't know how to operate those firewalls. Saying throw up a firewall is useless, it does nothing to help the person but blanket them.


Peace,
HT

Hi

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God, I wish this site at least had some users at the CISSP level as a bare minimum, at least then you'd find some knowledge of fundementals. What would that be like?

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Corect me if wrong from What Catch and HTRegz ,are tring to say that there should be sort of minimum Qualification to join this Fourm. I think HTRegz if you look at a few recents threads ego not newb's are a problem. Whats goin on in is called flaming rather that discussion. Discussion is constructive but people are just trying to Critisizm in not. I think Problem is some where else.....

Yes i Agree this Site is no more Dedicated Solely to Computer security. I guess JupMedia has to look increasing the number of people wisiting to get more money convincing the Advitisors their ADD's are viewed.

I Don't Think this is too bad a idea Either, Security being Given first prefernce by letting it on the fromt page, and we can use the experience of people from other fields. But i think Some of the older members are not too happy with this idea.

(note....this just might be a rant)

There are quite a few individuals here that are very knowledgeable. Some that could even be called 'Experts' (although if any one called me an expert, I would hit them -- from before most of you were born) Most of the seniors here (and quite alot of the addicts, members, juniors, and even the newbe's) have alot more computer knowledge than I probably ever will. But common sense isn't really very common, and seems to be very limited in this thread.
Considering the level of the people you are trying to communicate with, is called 'People Skills'. I would suggest that some of you consider reading a few books or taking a good class in them.
I greened alot of people in this thread, not for their technical answers, but for keeping their sanity, and not letting their ego's run away with them.
I have always considered this site to be educational, and not a site dedicated to critical analysis of any particular theory or point of view. As HT pointed out, with a slight change of wording, there was no basis for an arguement or flame war. Those that don't have any idea of even the value of security, have as much right to be here and learn, as the most knowledgeable of the 'Experts' here. In fact, if you are not here to learn than WTF are you doing here. Boosting your fragial ego? (I already know too many people who know every thing, thank you.)

Now I suppose that this just might upset some of you.....but I really could care less. Do you need help changing your diaper?

OK, I'm done, but damn I have belonged to enough elitest organizations in my life.