Thanks for your insightful analysis. :pQuote:
your comments seem to indicate that you are perfectly content with yours.
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Thanks for your insightful analysis. :pQuote:
your comments seem to indicate that you are perfectly content with yours.
I don't beleave in bisexuality. Most people would be lieing if they said they have never, not once, atleast thought about what other various forms of sex would be like. Even if they get sick after a few moments of the thought of it, the point is at some point they have atleast thought about it.Quote:
BISEXUAL and by definition, is not HOMOSEXUAL.
Truth is, if people are sex starved enought they'd just wanna screw like bunnies and get off no matter what. I beleave people are mainly just one way or the other except you know how it is, as long as your getting off on something, right?
And I really don't see how the heck the phrase "I don't care, just screw..." and just plain not giveing a crap anymore counts as some type of mid-way sexuality anyways.
Anyone that reads up on sexuality a lot (one of my hobbies) comes across the works of Kinsey. Sex therapists often refer to the Kinsey Scale of Sexuality.Quote:
Originally posted here by TheSpecialist
Most people would be lieing if they said they have never, not once, atleast thought about what other various forms of sex would be like.
For those interested, the Kinsey Institute has information about the Kinsey Scale, and many other topics of sexuality that they study.
Their FAQ of Sex Statistics is also very interesting.
Very true. Thast seems to be a lost cause to too many people.Quote:
I think the more that people understand each other, the more likely that they are to accept each other.
I need to shoot down some misconceptions about us "narrow-minded" christians as well:
First of all, I disagree with the Catholic church on so many matters it's not even funny. No offense to catholics, but the more time that passes, the less they seem to have it together. I think part of the problem is how subjective in interpretation and simultaneously legalistic they've become. I'm really getting tired of them giving the rest of us a bad name because they're the "popular" church.
So if you feel a certain way, embrace it, don't deny it. You've dodged my comparison though -- I feel like going out and "getting laid" by every hot girl I can score. Does that mean it's ok to do it then? "If it feels good, then do it."Quote:
1. Lie to ourselves and our future heterosexual partner about who we really are. Gay men use to do this a LOT before the 70s. The result? They were able to live with their lies for a while, but eventually either started to cheat on their wives, or started getting divorced. This answer isn't right for the gay man who's made to feel that it's wrong for him to be true to himself about who he really is, and it's wrong for the gay man's partner who's being forced to become an unknowing participant in a relationship based on said lie. Telling people that they should live a lie is just sick.
Agreed. The community should assist in any way it can. If someone's gonna point a finger, then they darn well better be willing to help be part of the solution. There are plenty of ex-gays out there who disagree with your opinion, JP. Are they living a lie, or is the power of free will at its finest?Quote:
Telling people they should live their lives alone because of their sexuality is just sick too.
That would be correct IF I had said that as a generalized statement. However, you don't mean to tell me that's not happening with some of the cases? If you are, then I don't think I'm the one that's sheltered buddy...There are plethora of reasons why this is an issue, and they differ from person to person just like any other issue. I didn't mean that as the fundamental issue, only as a contributing factor in some cases.Quote:
That's not a sad truth. That's a sad load of horse crap. Anyone that thinks that people get into homosexual relationships because they "give up" on the opposite sex is just a sadly misinformed and sheltered individual.
Here's the big point though:
If you're going to talk the theological, then the answer is it's because of the Fall. God didn't create them that way, it's a result of the entropy of our universe. Same answer goes for "Why did God create retarded people?". The upside is that God is glorified and people become stronger by overcoming those "burdens" they are born with. Not by lying to themselves, but by facing it directly, with the support of friends, and not going it alone. I'm sure you don't agree with this viewpoint, and that's fine, I have no quarrel with that, but that's the theological answer to your question.Quote:
How could god CREATE and INTEND someone to be something that he in the bible CONDEMNS?
Because the Catholic Church is built on a very weak and flimsy theological foundation. It comes as no surprise, sadly, that they can't get themselves straight on this issue as well as countless others.Quote:
This gets me back to the Catholic Church. Ever wonder why out of the blue they came out with their updated teaching that BEING gay isn't a sin, it's ENGAGING in homosexual behavior that is?
Careful with "the church" generalization. Some churches, many churches, yes. The rest of us? No. We're equipped and ready to deal with the issue.Quote:
The reason is clear: the church sees this issue coming, and they're trying to cover their asses (pardon the pun).
Kudos on your escaping the JW, DonkeyPunch. They are a borderline cult from where I'm standing. It's a hard group for many to realize they need to break off from and actually do it. It's not right that you lost friends over that. Those of my viewpoint will disagree with you, but friendship is not supposed to be contingent on such things. They've betrayed their faith by abandoning you. "Let he who is sinless cast the first stone." You think I don't have my own sexual sins? You betcha I do, and they're just as bad as anyone else's -- gay or straight. We're supposed to bear with each other, sure, pointing out openly when our viewpoints differ, but sticking together nonetheless. I believe that's the love Jesus preached about.Quote:
I let myself out of JW's in 1996, and I lost some friends because of what they found out.
AngelicKnight, it makes no difference anyway. I abandoned religion altogether. Thanks for the concern though. Lastly, when I let myself out it was clean and easy. I told the elders and in which told all other religions in the process to leave me the hell alone and sell your **** elsewhere.
And you're entitled to that decision. Just don't forget that some of us among the christian community will always be more receptive to what you have to say, whether we agree or not. No one, christian or otherwise, should try to make that decision for you. If you've made up your mind, then it's wrong for us to try to shove our faith down your throat, which is no less a sin on our part.
Or, as Paul would say, "Go in peace."
caveat: Not saying homosexuals are crazy.Quote:
Originally posted here by JP
If homosexuals are BORN that way, it would be hard to argue that god didn't CREATE them that way, and as such, INTENDED there to be homosexuals. How could god CREATE and INTEND someone to be something that he in the bible CONDEMNS?
JP: Your argument is flawed. Apply the same supposition to the mentally ill.
Schizophrenia is a genetic disorder. Therefore, schizophrenics are not afforded the opportunity to CHOOSE to be healthy. Schizophrenics are driven towards violent behavior, yet God condemns violence.
So, applying the same argument, please explain the existence of schizophrenia or "Super-Male" syndrome.
Hmmm, I have to read the Bible again. The last time I looked, the Bible is filled with violence justified by your god. The head of an ass by Samson, the walls of Jericho, the so-called Armageddon, and the "end of the world". I forgot though, god can do whatever he wants.Quote:
yet God condemns violence.
Also, how is Schizophrenia the same as homosexuality?
Or as Ecclesiastes would say "There is a time for peace, and a time for war." The Bible, just like any other history book, shows the horrid, naked truth that sometimes you have to fight.Quote:
Hmmm, I have to read the Bible again. The last time I looked, the Bible is filled with violence justified by your god. The head of an ass by Samson, the walls of Jericho, the so-called Armageddon, and the "end of the world". I forgot though, god can do whatever he wants.
However, I think our binary friend was trying to say that God condemns violence for the sake of violence...That of the offensive type. And yes, God can do whatever He wants, and humanity resents this. Fortunately, He is limited by His nature in that He does not do evil...else we could've been really screwed.
Boy, everyone's throwing out the theology lately. Are you guys just trying to keep me on my toes? ;)
Yeah, I'm struggling with this question too. Let me see if I can translate what he's saying (correct me if I'm wrong...um....You Whose Name Is In Binary):Quote:
Also, how is Schizophrenia the same as homosexuality?
You can be born gay, but choose not to give in to such desires. In contrast, you can be born schitzophrenic, but you cannot choose to be healthy. The piont is that being born gay allows an element of free will to override whereas schitzophrenia does not.
Is that what you're trying to say?
I still don't understand the full scope of the argument/question though, I'm afraid. The answer remains the same as I see it -- God allows those born with elements contrary to His desires for them because of the fallen state of the world. It is the product of free will gone awry, which is an entirely different conversation in and of istelf.
I think, however, you were prodding for a somewhat different answer from our boxing donkey friend?
I should start this discussion on my board. This is very interesting, and yes, despite my beliefs, I am learning somethings from this.
As for god having a double standard, it is nice you acknowledge that. That's what made me give it up in the first place.