That one is easy, you shoot the petrol bomb and watch the bastard burn?
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That one is easy, you shoot the petrol bomb and watch the bastard burn?
;)
Sounds like a good reason to learn a little of the local language , does it not? At least the words "stop" "police" and "halt".
The most worst translation i've ever heard. Its not even portuguese :)Quote:
stop = batente
stop police = pare polĂ*cias
halt = parada
halt police = polĂ*cias da parada.
Hey, everybody here watch American TV Series. We are all know what "Halt, Police" means...
Yes, he was a Brazillian. He run out just because his visa was expired and he think that was the Immigration Police (that usually dont shot illegal immigrants). As he was working there, i assume that he did understand "Stop, Police...". He just realized that those guys are looking for a terrorist
The funny thing is most of guys here believe that shooting a unknown guy, already arrested by police (down on the floor) is a "normal procedure" and can be used "because the terror situation".
For me was simply an execution. So shoot every alien in the streets. Maybe all are terrorists.
I bet it the victim was a "genuine british" London now will be in fire and 1st Minister were out.
But its "Just a foreigner", using a weird jacket... (maybe because your Summer is equivalent to our Winter...)
Thanks God i live in Brazil. Here we have a lot of deaths due to violence but at least we still think that this kind of "police action" is very abusive and those cops should get life prison for that. You cant kill (as a policeman) your worst enemy if he was captured and lying on the floor, helpless. Its simply not right.
We have this kind of "Police" in the past on '60s. It was called "Ditadura" (maybe is "dictatorship" in English, not sure).
oh please ... brazil is one of the most violent countries not in war ... from what i watch and read your cops used to kill prisoners because of overcrowding (you have one of the most disgusting prisons) and regulary kill homeless becaue they "pissed" 'em off.
Sorry, but you must choose better your newspapers. I live here for than 40 years and those stories never happened.Quote:
Originally posted here by unhappy
oh please ... brazil is one of the most violent countries not in war ... from what i watch and read your cops used to kill prisoners because of overcrowding (you have one of the most disgusting prisons) and regulary kill homeless becaue they "pissed" 'em off.
Of course Brazil is a violent country. But AT LEAST i know what is wrong and what is right.
And cops shooting unarmed, helpless guys just because they "think" he was a terrorist is wrong.
You will see when they start shooting british guys "because" they run away from police.
And BTW, countries that raise the "Freedom & Democracy Flag" (US, UK and "partners") should give the example. That was a "Saddam way of Justice".
Everyone should be pass thru Justice System.
Policeman is not equal soldier.
You cant use War Rules on this case.
If you start shooting civilians "by mistake", you will get just one result: people will be affraid from terrorists AND cops.
Read my custom title. :lildevil:Quote:
In your sights you have a petrol bomb thrower. He is 400 metres from anything/people/property.
What do you do.??
The suspect got what he deserved....under the circumstances. The police did what they are paid/trained to do. WHAT IF......they hadn't shot the guy, and he detonated a bomb....what then? Is it hard to understand that a suspected terrorist (he came out of a house under surveilance) wearing something inappropriate for the weather (roughly about 70* F) . In Rio de Janeiro it was 77*F yesterday...(didn't know you folks were so sensitive to the temperature changes) ...hardly any difference to excuse the wearing of a jacket.
Kudos to those policemen/women for doing the right thing.
Cacosapo
Please advise your friends that at least one Englishman is truly sorry for what happened. I have prayed for him and his family; Father Michael will say a Mass.............I shall speak with the bishop today, perhaps all English Catholics should pray for him?..........possibly this Sunday.
What gets to me is it was so stupid.................his visa or work permit ran out? heh! he is from Brasil? we have fewer Brasilian illegal immigrants than hens have teeth :rolleyes: I am amazed that I can actually get Brasilian and "illegal immigrant" into a sentence in the English language.
The normal procedure would be................."Print your name and address at the top of the form sir, and sign it right down there at the bottom" then it just gets renewed like a library book.
If you think about it, that makes a lot of sense? it actually costs rather a lot of money to deport somebody ;)
I still believe that our police were perfectly correct, particularly as the guy jumped the barriers..........I know that I am old, but it is no mean feat, trust me.
All in all, a tragedy?
Johnno
Yeap, and We are now in the Winter, while England is at Summer. So, do you wear heavy jacket on winter, dont you? so do we :) ... Just see the temperatures to realize that England is a damn cold country....Quote:
wearing something inappropriate for the weather (roughly about 70* F) . In Rio de Janeiro it was 77*F yesterday.
I agree to Nihil: It was a tragedy. But really, even living in a country that people is shot in the streets every day, i will never accept that a policeman kill an unarmed person with 8 bullets just because they "thought" he was a terrorist.
I will tell you again: it will open undesired consequences to you people. Allowing police to kill people (again, unarmed, just trying to escape) just because "they think he was a bad guy" will kill your democracy and your civil rights.
We had here this period of history here (1964-1980), when the Army took control of the country.
After sometime, they start to think that everybody that was against their ideias are "bad guys".
A lot of people died on that period.
I agree 100% with you cacosapo,
I was wearing a winter coat this morning in NL (same temp as UK) and I'm born and raised here..
Also with my short hair and semi-long beard I do look like a typical terrorist in NL..
Also when confronted with machine gun wearing plain clothed people.. I don't know what I'd do..
This is not a good example for law inforcement anywhere !
I'm sorry...but I don't see death as an evil thing...a horrible outcome...death is a ' natural ' part of existence...unavoidable...innocent/guilty everyone dies...death is not a tragedy
I sympathize with the family who no longer can enjoy his company but I maintain the police were acting in an appropriate manner under the circumstances...' desparate times call for desparate measures '...
if he had been a bomber...should they have let him get on the Subway? If he had a detonator in his hand and explosives under his jacket...should they have tried to arrest him and all been blown up with him?
The solution was to kill him ' before ' he had a chance to do anything...in the aftermath we can all be critics in retrospect...but in the heat of the moment they did the right thing in their eyes...to save lives.
They were wrong...but that would also be true of a guy running down an alley who encounters a murder in progress...the cops begin chase but they chase the wrong guy...the guy reaches into his pocket to get his ID...cops shoot him...OPPS wrong guy....
but understandable!
Eg ;)