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hmm preep.. did you check the Downloads section? coz AO has a HUUUGGGEEEE archive.. and im sure it deffinately has all the "stuff" u need.. hehehe trust me.. i surfed the archives for one day and i didnt even finished half of it..Quote:
yeah the sites good but i get my tools and "stuff", else where, but the forums are quite good.
well well i took a step back from this until now even thought im soughta the reason this thread started makes me so proud hehe
well the way i see it 90,000 memebers i dont know how many people a day jp gets through this site and how many major copertations and government agencies etc etc
with this amount of traffic im sure me and everyone else on this world would do something im not saying jp doesnt do anything cause i know he does alot of hard work well..... tehehe
where im going with this is simple if we had this amount of traffic on a site i would try change things ie change the way code is writen or organise the masses to do things ie distrbuted computing crack codes etc etc with rewards for contributing etc
jp must turn over heaps with the advertising etc etc and im sure he would be willing to share it with you the member because admit it what is he without us... but as jp says we take take take and give nothing in return. vallhalen is taking things the right way with his web page network idea but if people dont contribute its not going to go anywhere if you the member contributes
now its not all one sided jp also needs to as our valient leader needs to rally the troops as most people on this site look up to him as "uber_1337" im sure some people will do it if its not to difficult if jp doesnt have the time elect some with respect in these forums to do it.
taking a leaf out of cyberarmys book divisions where each group has a certain task to do ie advertising, exploiters etc etc im sure if we could pool the talents into one group alot could get done if the leaders for each group set specific tasks. just an idea..?
hehe sorry bout this my mind is jumping **** i just broke my lava lamp ohh well
back to this
the way i see it its a joint effort between us and JP we give a bit jp gives a bit ..
hehe ok sorry if a lot of that had been said but i just need to say my part
and hope something gets through to someone
RiOtEr
Thanks s0nic, it's appreciated. I don't ever go into a post about security with the 'I'm hoping to get greenies for this' or whatnot because that's not what I'm here for and it's not what I'm going for. However, I could name a major 'clique' (if you will) and I'm pretty sure there are others who would say 'Yeah...I have to agree with that' but then all that would do is put myself out front to take the shots by said people who have a lot more "power" than I do.Quote:
Originally posted here by s0nIc
lol wow.. Volrin.. do u have any idea how im preety much impressed with your work? considering that u registered 2 months after i did and u seem to earn preety much a lot of people's respects than i had.. i didnt knew u felt that way lol..
as for the cliques.. hmm i didnt notice any cliques in AO.. as far as i know.. everyone in AO are my clique.. the whole AO crew is my clique.. lol i defend AO like u were my own hommies.. and am serious.. i get people tellin me about bad stuff about AO and i know what they are telling is true, but i still defend AO.
and considering u were one of the people i say "wow, this kidd is fast" i wasnt expecting u'd feel bad about the AO community. i know AO was a lot more better when u first joined.. same here.. but a lot has changed coz most good members (such as u) leave AO.. hence there are less people to teach our aspiring newbies. but im glad ur back.
Nothing's wrong with giving antipoints and nothing's wrong with being an op or moderator. I don't put much in the greenies because they don't really mean that much but when someone new comes in and within a few months is higher than just about everyone, that should mean something. I'm talking about "this guy gets a lot of points from everyone and his posts are pretty on-target...perhaps he'd like to have ownership of something". I'd love to be helping out for AO "officially" but that won't happen and I don't know that any offering now would be accepted because it still doesn't address the problem. This is why good people 'leave'. I never really left...more or less, I just took a break. But others have, and others will.
ohh one other thing hehe
s0nic pointed it out the text archives and download archives are huge and are used by people but one thing their so unorganised that theirs not much of an order this site could get a lot more traffic if the txts were uptadted and put in a logical order like the ones on google.com and textfiles.com the trafic would increase its a mamoth job but it would be worth it
RiOtEr
yeah.. i was suggesting JP in IRC to put a "search" thingy for his Downloads section.. i dont know when he's gonna do it.. but i did suggest it.. and RiOtEr.. your avatar.. did you know that the head of that ghost is once my insignia when i was a cracker? if u can find my desktop screenshot.. you will see the My Computer icon is the head of your ghost.
This was inspired by Vorlin's post which was one of the best posts that I've read in quite a while. There are a lot of good ideas coming out of this thread but, like I said before, it doesn't matter what you say unless you do something about it.
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Here's what I personally would like to see more of at AO:
1) More book reviews and product reviews.
If you've read a book on hacking or network security and you thought it sucked/owned, tell us. It doesn't take long to write down a couple of paragraphs about what you think. Don't regurgitate the blurb on the back of the book. Tell us what you thought of it in your own words. The same thing goes for products. If you've used a tool and it's really good, tell us and tell us why it's good. This won't take much more than 10 minutes of your time but you'll really be helping other people out. And this is something that everyone can do. You don't have to be some hacking guru. We can all read and write so lets use that.
2) More original ideas
Got an opinion? Got what you think is a great idea? Stand up for what you believe in and say it! No one should get negative AP's just for stating their opinion. And even if you do get negative points, who gives a ****? After all, they're only little green beans. Who knows, someone might even agree with you ;).
3) Write programs/code
Yes, yes, yes! Can you string some lines of code together? Write a program, a script, a function, ANYTHING dammit. Write code and post it up. There are people here you are willing to help you becoming a better programmer. Every programmer has their own ways of doing things and we can all learn little things from each other.
4) More tutorials
If you know something, share it with other poeple. Some people might already know a lot of it, but there WILL be someone somewhere who learns something from what you've written. You don't have to be a great hacker/programmer. If you're good at maths, post something about discrete mathematics. If you're into physics, there's a whole world of cool stuff that can be applied to computers. If you're good at English, write a story about hacking. Write something! You might just inspire someone. You might even surprise and inspire yourself.
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The point is that everyone has skills and talents. Everyone can contribute something. If you've been doing a lot of taking at AO recently, try some giving. Believe me, giving feels a hell of a lot better...
The person who "hacked" AO... I thought it was just some guy who had found out that Ask Bub wasn't properly checking inputs because it wasn't being passed through the same checking routine that other forms on the site were, and that he contacted JP about it... That's what I remember, at least.
Back to the topic... I only block pop-up ads. :)
Now, I know it sounds neat to have projects and code etc... but wouldn't that be sort of like playing catch-up to sites which are already dedicated to it? In my mind the strongest asset AO has is it's forums, and it wouldn't be productive to concentrate on other things only to find most people going to the 'popular' sites for non-forum activities anyway...
Pure Speculation Follows.
I would guess that the Anticode archives are the primary reason script-kiddies become attracted to AO. Are they very useful or current, those archives? Would removing them benefit the rest of the site?
Is it better to concentrate and have one thing well, or do lots of things at once but unexceptionally? On the internet, non-new people (I'm guessing here.) tend to have several specific sites for specific things, rather than one-general-stop. Would having a second-best exploit-listing etc. really help AO?
And yes, I am submitting an article for the Newsletter :P
*Wonders* My how this thread has changed...
System_0verload
I don't really see how sharing/talking about code is counter-productive. The banner says, "AntiOnline: Hackers know the weaknesses in your system. Shouldn't you?" Well if we want to learn more about protecting our weaknesses, learning about programming is the place to start.Quote:
Now, I know it sounds neat to have projects and code etc... but wouldn't that be sort of like playing catch-up to sites which are already dedicated to it? In my mind the strongest asset AO has is it's forums, and it wouldn't be productive to concentrate on other things only to find most people going to the 'popular' sites for non-forum activities anyway...
I guess some people see AO as a place to just hang and talk about their interests in Network Security. That's fine but it doesn't really go along with what the banner says the site is all about.
Interesting theory Terr. I don't think the archives are really that current but people seem to read them all anyway in the hope that it will help them learn more about hacking. The thing is that these files can be found in heaps of places all over the Internet. Do we really need to hang on to them? Personally if I want a text file, there's www.google.com for that, but it's horses for courses I guess.Quote:
I would guess that the Anticode archives are the primary reason script-kiddies become attracted to AO. Are they very useful or current, those archives? Would removing them benefit the rest of the site?
It's JP's site. What sort of user do you want to attract JP?
Ok, I ask yourselves this fellow AO'ers. What does AntiOnline actually do. I don't mean what do we talk about. I mean what do we actually do? Are we doing enough for a site that proclaims that it's dedicated to finding the weaknesses in systems? Could we be doing more? If people see AO as a place just to talk about what other people/sites come up with that's their right, but it's not very exciting ;).Quote:
Is it better to concentrate and have one thing well, or do lots of things at once but unexceptionally? On the internet, non-new people (I'm guessing here.) tend to have several specific sites for specific things, rather than one-general-stop. Would having a second-best exploit-listing etc. really help AO?