I Am An American

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America was not founded on a god-related foundation. The god-related foundation was added in 1954.

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uh, no.

Saying that America was founded on principals of freedom of religion and all that is nice, but it's only half the story. It wasn't some crusade to bring freedom of religion to everyone, it was a group of people who had a different religion than the one imposed on them.

They were absolutely god fearing christians, to very extreme ends if you know anything about our history, and the nation was created on a god-related foundation.

Just because we didn't say it until 1954, doesn't mean it wasnt the case.

Going to public school in DC, "under god" was never part of the pledge for whatever reason. I guess our school was not in the majority with that though.

I just want to say one thing. . . . if im gona get Negative Points for my own opinion. . . so be it. I know I havn't contributed anything to this thread . . . . but damnit, I hate it when one person takes it upon theirself to flood someone with Negative points. So whoever it is, PLEASE STOP NOW! Its anoying. Grow up. I will not be your scapegoat to balance your damn A-Points.

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Originally posted by Shkuey

uh, no. Saying that America was founded on principals of freedom of religion and all that is nice, but it's only half the story. It wasn't some crusade to bring freedom of religion to everyone, it was a group of people who had a different religion than the one imposed on them. They were absolutely god fearing christians, to very extreme ends if you know anything about our history, and the nation was created on a god-related foundation. Just because we didn't say it until 1954, doesn't mean it wasnt the case. Going to public school in DC, "under god" was never part of the pledge for whatever reason. I guess our school was not in the majority with that though.

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The phrase you quoted was just a shorter version of what I said earlier:

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I may be wrong, but I always thought modern America was founded by - amongst others - Europeans who didn't agree with European religion, with European beliefs, with European society.

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Most of those Europeans where not god fearing christians, afaik. Lots of them where, yes. I don't agree when you say that the nation was created on a god-related foundation though. I'm pretty sure that the last thing on the mind of that original group of people was religion.
"Liberty" was what united them, not religion. Religion probably was part of that unity, but I feel sorry for them if that was their first concern.
And on a side-note, and off-topic: liberty and religion don't mix, imo... (no need to reply to that statement, it has been discussed over and over already in Cosmos...).

/me agrees with RogueSpy. I may get negative points for this as well, but honestly, it has to be said. This thread, although noble in intention, has simply become a blood-fest, with people assigning positives to anyone who says that they are an American while assigning negatives to anyone who says something that is simply in agreement to something someone else said, or who says something in disagreement. I've already been blasted with negative points, and whoever they were not only didn't include their name, they didn't even include a reason. If you need to balance your points, at least do it for a good reason. I'm sorry to be like this, but I think some people have to grow up and learn that this community contains people who will have different opinions, and that it is perfectly acceptable to talk about those disagreements rather than hiding behind negative antipoints.

AJ

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I don't agree when you say that the nation was created on a god-related foundation though. I'm pretty sure that the last thing on the mind of that original group of people was religion.

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Are you talking about the "original group of people" who settled in America from Europe, or the "original group of people" who broke ties with Europe to form a government?

If you mean the former then I disagree with you, if you mean the latter then I'd have to say the ideals America was created on were formed long before that happend.

Im pretty mad that I two have been getting negative antipoints for expressing my patriotism. I am sorry that not everyone loves my country the way I do.

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Originally posted here by Palemoon
Point taken from the Great White North, love your country and people and in many ways you lets us do all the work take the best and incorprate it. You are not however American and well the pledge is sort of like the Queen Mother visiting and dissing her and a few up in your parts did though Tony did OK.
Americains as a nation and you cannot take expressions here as a bellweather of this nation but I as an American can say we don't wish to nuke anyone, though now days cannot say for other countries. We Vote and forign policy is often out of our hands as much as it is with any other nation and their leaders, that Securoty thing ya know.
So simple fact your .02 worth american is about 1/4 cent, lets see what was the Euro today?
Humm can go off on a vacation get 52 to one american buck. Why is it you all hate us but love our money?

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A) This has completely nothing to do with the post in question. Nobody has posted a satisfactory response to Negative's post, as it is entirely pulled from fact. Is this possibly because you all just want to get greenies for saying "we're a great nation" and remain blind to the facts?

B) Most non-americans don't hate americans, we simply don't care most of the time. This flag-waving 'we are better than you are' nonsense is just stupid and to say the least, offensive.

C) Do you have any idea of Canada's political structure? We're not technically a part of the United Kingdom anymore, and we're certainly separated from them. We have a traditional figurehead in the British monarchy, and nothing more.

Or maybe you're simply confused or ignorant of the politics of other countries, or even geography of the world in general. I'm not sure, but what I am sure of is the fact that your post made little to no sense whatsoever.

hmmm.....I had so much in mind in which I was going to post here. But after reading all 6 ****ing pages I think pretty much everything needed to be said has been said.

GOD BLESS AMERICA

P.S. Chris.....Its OUR U.S. military might that keeps Canada's citizens sleeping well at night. Remember that.

Pledge Allegiance to Constitution (6/27/02)

A panel of the United States Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals issued a decision that school classroom recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional. It objected to the phrase “One nation, under God…” as an improper endorsement of religion in violation of the First Amendment.

Like the rest of our national leaders, President Bush had some choice words about the decision. He called it “ridiculous.” The United States Senate passed a unanimous resolution endorsing the Pledge, while members of the House of Representatives gathered to recite it.

Instead of denouncing a decision made by the judiciary branch of government, our leaders could have studied the Constitution they swore to uphold. This document divides power among those who write laws (legislative branch), those who interpret them (judicial) and those who carry them out (executive). By creating a chorus line of jeers about the Ninth Circuit panel’s decision, members our executive and legislative branches crossed the lines of their responsibilities and created undue prejudice about the anticipated appeal of the decision.

The only people in this controversy who bothered to read the Constitution were the two judges who voted for the decision. The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment says that Congress may “make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” The panel correctly interpreted the Pledge (codified into law in 1942 by Congress) as an establishment of religion with the “under God” phrase. In fact, Congress amended the Pledge in 1954 to include the phrase so that the United States could distinguish itself from the then-Soviet Union, whose official religion was atheism.

Opponents of the decision sarcastically point out that if we follow the logic of this decision, we should remove “In God We Trust” from coins, change the opening of each session of the Supreme Court (“God save the United States and this honorable court”) and stop requiring the President to end his oath of office with “so help me God.”

If we really love our Constitution, that would be a good start.

http://www.deanhartwell.com/page649837.htm

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Originally posted here by Quad
P.S. Chris.....Its OUR U.S. military might that keeps Canada's citizens sleeping well at night. Remember that.

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Actually, that's untrue. If you ask your average Canadian, they'll think that American foreign policy is one of the reasons North America has become unsafe in recent months. That is, those Canadians who have an opinion about it.

Keep in mind, it was also YOUR U.S. military that bombed a UN designated training area and killed four Canadian soldiers.