telnet from behind firewall

csch:

Frankly, you are becoming a little bit of a pain in this thread. I understand your point fully but faqt isn't the normal little kid coming in looking to have their homework done for her, (she may be a normal little kid but the similarity stops there.... ;) ), and you should be able to differentiate between her and those kind of people. She has stated clearly that she has done a lot of work behind the scenes trying to work out her problem and she has a problem with it.

She is trying for herself and wants assistance, I hope you are absolutely capable of solving all your problems and understanding all the problems and concepts you will come across in computing. If you can't then your attitude in this thread may come back to bite you... well.... you know.... should you ever come here and ask a question that we, reading this thread, know the answers to..... I'm sure you'd hate to be told to "do your homework yourself" while your a$$hole boss is breathing down your neck...... These comments aren't intended to start a fight and I won't get into one with you over it..... This thread has been degraded sufficiently already without me driving it fully into the dirt. They are a series of observations.... take them as you will......

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There could be numerous reasons.

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Assuming the admin has done nothing to subvert/divert telnet on the client and that telnet is functioning exactly as it is supposed to........

For the edification of the rest of us would you care to elucidate? And, please.... I haven't done homework in 30 years......

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The whole point of the exercise is to run telnet and get it through the firewall.

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You seem to think it can be done, yet you also imply that it can't..... if you feel it "gives the game away" right now.... PM me your solution.....

Juridian: Actually, if you remove all references to and from csch, it's an interesting little thread..... It's a shame a potentially good thread that many people could learn something from and exercise their "creative juices" on has been so thoroughly degraded.

csch:

Frankly, you are becoming a little bit of a pain in this thread. I understand your point fully but faqt isn't the normal little kid coming in looking to have their homework done for her, (she may be a normal little kid but the similarity stops there.... ;) ), and you should be able to differentiate between her and those kind of people. She has stated clearly that she has done a lot of work behind the scenes trying to work out her problem and she has a problem with it.

She is trying for herself and wants assistance, I hope you are absolutely capable of solving all your problems and understanding all the problems and concepts you will come across in computing. If you can't then your attitude in this thread may come back to bite you... well.... you know.... should you ever come here and ask a question that we, reading this thread, know the answers to..... I'm sure you'd hate to be told to "do your homework yourself" while your a$$hole boss is breathing down your neck...... These comments aren't intended to start a fight and I won't get into one with you over it..... This thread has been degraded sufficiently already without me driving it fully into the dirt. They are a series of observations.... take them as you will......

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There could be numerous reasons.

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Assuming the admin has done nothing to subvert/divert telnet on the client and that telnet is functioning exactly as it is supposed to........

For the edification of the rest of us would you care to elucidate? And, please.... I haven't done homework in 30 years......

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The whole point of the exercise is to run telnet and get it through the firewall.

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You seem to think it can be done, yet you also imply that it can't..... if you feel it "gives the game away" right now.... PM me your solution.....

Juridian: Actually, if you remove all references to and from csch, it's an interesting little thread..... It's a shame a potentially good thread that many people could learn something from and exercise their "creative juices" on has been so thoroughly degraded.

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Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
Frankly, you are becoming a little bit of a pain in this thread. I understand your point fully but faqt isn't the normal little kid coming in looking to have their homework done for her, (she may be a normal little kid but the similarity stops there.... ;) ), and you should be able to differentiate between her and those kind of people. She has stated clearly that she has done a lot of work behind the scenes trying to work out her problem and she has a problem with it.

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Trolling for a flame now? Perhaps you should spend thirty seconds or more and read my previous post.

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I hope you are absolutely capable of solving all your problems and understanding all the problems and concepts you will come across in computing.

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I am because I make the effort.

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If you can't then your attitude in this thread may come back to bite you... well.... you know.... should you ever come here and ask a question that we, reading this thread, know the answers to.

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I'm all for discussion, and I'm all for people asking questions. I will not likely ever ask a technically-derived question of the AO crowd, but would rather ask the three or four people here who actually know more than I do about various topics.

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I'm sure you'd hate to be told to "do your homework yourself" while your a$$hole boss is breathing down your neck.

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Where is the ******* boss in this situation?

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They are a series of observations.... take them as you will.

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Amusing how when I say something it is an attempt to flame someone, whereas when you do the same it is "a series of observations".

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Assuming the admin has done nothing to subvert/divert telnet on the client and that telnet is functioning exactly as it is supposed to.

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Mistake #1: Making assumptions.
Mistake #2: Making assumptions based on other assumptions.

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For the edification of the rest of us would you care to elucidate?

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No, you seem to posess all the answers, so I don't need to do I? Most anyone with enough technical know-how to setup and monitor their own network + firewall should have enough of a clue to come up with half a dozen unexplored suggestions.

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You seem to think it can be done, yet you also imply that it can't..... if you feel it "gives the game away" right now.... PM me your solution..

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If that is what you garner from my posts then that's your observation. I believe that there are unexplored avenues, but without knowing the configuration details of the firewall in question, nobody can create answers. I can tell you where people went WRONG in this particular line of thinking.

Perhaps I should list the facts you guys have obviously all missed. Maybe with a little bit of brain engagement and know-how you could come up with the ideas I've already come up with.
1. There is a firewall between the client computer and the internet.
2. Telnet, like almost all applications that are not services will always pull a random high-numbered source port when initiating outbound connections.
3. Web browsing apparently functions. This indicates applications which pick random high-numbered source ports function to some degree.
4. Using Telnet to connect out does not apparently function. This may be user error, but more likely it is something below the user level.

There are numerous conclusions one could reach, but a better avenue of approach may be to actually come up with possibilities and try them.

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Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
Frankly, you are becoming a little bit of a pain in this thread. I understand your point fully but faqt isn't the normal little kid coming in looking to have their homework done for her, (she may be a normal little kid but the similarity stops there.... ;) ), and you should be able to differentiate between her and those kind of people. She has stated clearly that she has done a lot of work behind the scenes trying to work out her problem and she has a problem with it.

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Trolling for a flame now? Perhaps you should spend thirty seconds or more and read my previous post.

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I hope you are absolutely capable of solving all your problems and understanding all the problems and concepts you will come across in computing.

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I am because I make the effort.

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If you can't then your attitude in this thread may come back to bite you... well.... you know.... should you ever come here and ask a question that we, reading this thread, know the answers to.

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I'm all for discussion, and I'm all for people asking questions. I will not likely ever ask a technically-derived question of the AO crowd, but would rather ask the three or four people here who actually know more than I do about various topics.

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I'm sure you'd hate to be told to "do your homework yourself" while your a$$hole boss is breathing down your neck.

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Where is the ******* boss in this situation?

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They are a series of observations.... take them as you will.

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Amusing how when I say something it is an attempt to flame someone, whereas when you do the same it is "a series of observations".

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Assuming the admin has done nothing to subvert/divert telnet on the client and that telnet is functioning exactly as it is supposed to.

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Mistake #1: Making assumptions.
Mistake #2: Making assumptions based on other assumptions.

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For the edification of the rest of us would you care to elucidate?

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No, you seem to posess all the answers, so I don't need to do I? Most anyone with enough technical know-how to setup and monitor their own network + firewall should have enough of a clue to come up with half a dozen unexplored suggestions.

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You seem to think it can be done, yet you also imply that it can't..... if you feel it "gives the game away" right now.... PM me your solution..

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If that is what you garner from my posts then that's your observation. I believe that there are unexplored avenues, but without knowing the configuration details of the firewall in question, nobody can create answers. I can tell you where people went WRONG in this particular line of thinking.

Perhaps I should list the facts you guys have obviously all missed. Maybe with a little bit of brain engagement and know-how you could come up with the ideas I've already come up with.
1. There is a firewall between the client computer and the internet.
2. Telnet, like almost all applications that are not services will always pull a random high-numbered source port when initiating outbound connections.
3. Web browsing apparently functions. This indicates applications which pick random high-numbered source ports function to some degree.
4. Using Telnet to connect out does not apparently function. This may be user error, but more likely it is something below the user level.

There are numerous conclusions one could reach, but a better avenue of approach may be to actually come up with possibilities and try them.

sorry i didn't look at your profile Faqt . an earlier icon (dont know why i would go by icons) gave me the impression you were male.

sorry i didn't look at your profile Faqt . an earlier icon (dont know why i would go by icons) gave me the impression you were male.

Hey Hey,

I was going to stay out of this... however I can't watch this bickering go on any longer.

I'm glad someone finally asked about the port 80/8080 not being accessible comment because that right there should be the solution to the problem. Have you considered application based firewalling, or a group policy is in place. I would attemp to copy telnet.exe and rename it to iexplore.exe and then use that copy of it. Who knows you may hit pay dirt.

I've given my suggestion, however I agree with chsh in this discussion. It is a learning experience and research should be done on your own. I'm seeing the people in this debate. It seems to be people who want the help, and people who have been away from the education system for a few years on one side, and those who are currently or have recently experienced the education system on the other side.

The sad fact is that the advent of the internet, while it is a beneficial tool, has lead to the decline of education in many ways. It has lead to the birth of a whole new generation of lazy students. I'm in an IT program, and we're finishing up the CCNA as part of our curriculum, students in my class, rather than learn the information, go to forums and search engines and attempt to find the answers to the exams. It's easier for them because the information is out there and it's abundant. However nothing is learned, and no knowledge is gained. I've told you what I'd try next, but do you know why I came to that line of reasoning? Would you have come to that line of reasoning? 10-15 years ago you didn't have a world-wide network to help you out, even in the IT world. You'd have had your peers, and your books and you'd have to learn for yourself. Now the internet comes along, and people are spoon feed. It is very sad. So I do agree with chsh and I can see where he is coming from. I see lazy students all the time. I see IT students who can't install Windows for themselves and they're too lazy to learn because they are programmers and will "never have to do an install". People don't want to learn for themselves anymore... it's a real shame.

Anyways, that's my two cents.

Peace,
HT

Hey Hey,

I was going to stay out of this... however I can't watch this bickering go on any longer.

I'm glad someone finally asked about the port 80/8080 not being accessible comment because that right there should be the solution to the problem. Have you considered application based firewalling, or a group policy is in place. I would attemp to copy telnet.exe and rename it to iexplore.exe and then use that copy of it. Who knows you may hit pay dirt.

I've given my suggestion, however I agree with chsh in this discussion. It is a learning experience and research should be done on your own. I'm seeing the people in this debate. It seems to be people who want the help, and people who have been away from the education system for a few years on one side, and those who are currently or have recently experienced the education system on the other side.

The sad fact is that the advent of the internet, while it is a beneficial tool, has lead to the decline of education in many ways. It has lead to the birth of a whole new generation of lazy students. I'm in an IT program, and we're finishing up the CCNA as part of our curriculum, students in my class, rather than learn the information, go to forums and search engines and attempt to find the answers to the exams. It's easier for them because the information is out there and it's abundant. However nothing is learned, and no knowledge is gained. I've told you what I'd try next, but do you know why I came to that line of reasoning? Would you have come to that line of reasoning? 10-15 years ago you didn't have a world-wide network to help you out, even in the IT world. You'd have had your peers, and your books and you'd have to learn for yourself. Now the internet comes along, and people are spoon feed. It is very sad. So I do agree with chsh and I can see where he is coming from. I see lazy students all the time. I see IT students who can't install Windows for themselves and they're too lazy to learn because they are programmers and will "never have to do an install". People don't want to learn for themselves anymore... it's a real shame.

Anyways, that's my two cents.

Peace,
HT

csch:

I won't bother myself or the other readers of this thread by responding to the continued "off-topic" portion of you post.... It's a waste of my time and theirs.

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I believe that there are unexplored avenues, but without knowing the configuration details of the firewall in question, nobody can create answers.

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Well.... That was hard to come up with..... I almost said exactly the same in my previous post.... But I consider it redundant..... It's the _process_ that's important.

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There are numerous conclusions one could reach, but a better avenue of approach may be to actually come up with possibilities and try them.

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So, you are saying that you don't have a solution..... then you have contributed nothing except tell a little girl, (sorry faqt), to do her own homework.....

C'mon, you are better than this.... be useful at least.... try to help rather than just sound glib and "all knowing" to a "little girl", (sorry again faqt).

On this subject I will accept "ON-topic" conversation from you.... If you care to continue the "off-topic" issues lets do it in PM's or a private room. Don't trash faqt's perfectly good thread with your issues..... Can you accept that?

Faqt, keep asking, keep searching and keep learning... I know you will... ;)

csch:

I won't bother myself or the other readers of this thread by responding to the continued "off-topic" portion of you post.... It's a waste of my time and theirs.

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I believe that there are unexplored avenues, but without knowing the configuration details of the firewall in question, nobody can create answers.

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Well.... That was hard to come up with..... I almost said exactly the same in my previous post.... But I consider it redundant..... It's the _process_ that's important.

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There are numerous conclusions one could reach, but a better avenue of approach may be to actually come up with possibilities and try them.

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So, you are saying that you don't have a solution..... then you have contributed nothing except tell a little girl, (sorry faqt), to do her own homework.....

C'mon, you are better than this.... be useful at least.... try to help rather than just sound glib and "all knowing" to a "little girl", (sorry again faqt).

On this subject I will accept "ON-topic" conversation from you.... If you care to continue the "off-topic" issues lets do it in PM's or a private room. Don't trash faqt's perfectly good thread with your issues..... Can you accept that?

Faqt, keep asking, keep searching and keep learning... I know you will... ;)