Homosexuality: a choice or a gene?

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As for god having a double standard, it is nice you acknowledge that. That's what made me give it up in the first place.

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Ah, but that's the problem -- Perhaps that conclusion is a little premature?

Let me, alternatively, ask this: Is it really a double standard, or could it be a paradox?

A paradox, as I'm sure you know, occurs when two seemingly contradictory truths actually can be reconciled and coexist. In other words, something appears to be a contradiction, but in fact can be reconciled once delved into a little deeper.

That, I would suggest, is the case here.

I do not see it as a paradox, but as bull. I think this discussion got waaaay off topic. My apologies.

Just looking at the surface my friend, gotta dive deeper. The problem I find with many is that they turn from something when they see something they don't like, without giving the issue a more complex analysis. Such is our human nature.

No worries, we fly way off topic on a regular basis. I've pretty much come to accept that's inevitable with our bunch. ;)

Free will.

We're humen beings we have the right to do as we wish. Without any guidance, life would be all out of wack -- today for instance, those whom have no faith in themselfs nor respect. (Not your body.)

Sorry for the Religous opinion, but 1 + 1 = 2.

My guidance as I choose it to be is not religion. If that is a problem for you, then I am sorry for the non-religious opinion.

Why thank you, I've noticed. What was the point of this post again?

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Originally posted here by AngelicKnight
There are plenty of ex-gays out there who disagree with your opinion, JP. Are they living a lie, or is the power of free will at its finest?

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There is no such thing as an "ex-gay", and the churches that host workshops to "convert" homosexuals into heterosexuals are sick in the truest sense of the word.

AngelicKnight, the fact that you would even mention something as ridiculous as these conversion organizations, or that you even believe that they are "real", shows exactly the type of bigot you are. You can yell and scream that you're not all you want, but spreading such falsehoods without knowing, or by ignoring, the facts is by definition bigotry.

Any gay man that "pretends" to now be straight is living a lie, absolutely! And ALL, I repeat ALL of the scientific research backs this up. The only people you'll hear telling you that homosexuals can be "converted" or "cured" are Christians who try to guilt gays into being so ashamed that they deny their true selves, plain and simple!

The American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, AND the World Health Organization ALL say that homosexuality is not a choice, it is not a disease or disorder, and that homosexuals can't be "cured or converted". Instead of treating homosexuals ALL FOUR of these organizations say that the people that really need treated are the HOMOPHOBES in society. To quote one of these organizations:

"The reality is that homosexuality is not an illness. It does not require treatment and is not changeable." American Psychological Association 1998

I trust that all of these organizations know the science behind homosexuality a lot better than bible thumping Christians do. See, unlike Christians, scientists RESEARCH, EXPERIMENT, and STUDY the facts, and then draw CONCLUSIONS based on these FACTS. They don't simply page through a book that's a few thousand years old and find a quote or two from some schizo that was hearing voices, and repeat it as if it were an undeniable fact, ignoring anything else that may point to the contrary.

Here's an interesting article on the topic should anyone actually want to start learning the TRUTH and the FACTS.

Just the fact these ideas are being thrown at me are moot. I do not ask AngelicKnight to become bi, gay or straight, nor do I tell him the wonders of it because it is immaterial. In this case, what really makes me wonder is he thinks I have not dug deeper into the "paradox" of this god. I was taught all my life to dig deep and probably know more about scripture than I care to know about. The more I dug, the more I read and the more I asked questions about the validity made me want to barf. Oh, and I was damned if I did question any validity or anything else for that matter...

Everybody wants to live forever, live in paradise and be the ones chosen to be in that world. I got tired of pursuing that mirage and decided to live life. The thing is, I cannot say if there is a god, nirvana, a paradise or whatever, so far there has been no evidence of such a place. It has been a pursuit of many cultures of many thousands of years and while it is OK to believe what you want, there is something called "enough". What really bothers me if this god is so loving and caring, why there are such stringent conditions on that love and why so few will "make it" in those pearly gates. The strange thing is, there are so many religious beliefs saying they are right it boggles my mind.

I do not want to be "reformed" or "changed." I have lied to myself long enough that I do not want to pretend I am this reformed person to make another person happy that most likely either does not give a **** about me in the end and secretly does **** during the week and act all holy on holy day. That's another thing that bothered the hell out of me too.

bah

Hay guys the theological thing is all about faith. You either have it or you do not. It has nothing to do with inteligence or lack off.

JP. You make some good arguments with regard to this thread, i am inclined to agree with you on most of what you have said. My proplem with what you have said is to do with curiosity. The Specialist brought up a very valid point with "what would another from of sex be like" or words to that effect. There is also an old clechie, that goes that all men will have a homosexual experiance at least once in there lives.................No, i am secure in my own sexuality, been there done that. Did not like it.

So from my own perspective the x/y chromasome theory is not far of the mark.

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<Donkey_Punch> naw
* Donkey_Punch is now known as albn

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Originally found here.

Heh....I knew there was something familiar about the way you were making the hair on the back of my neck stand up. You're a bad boy Jack....

Now...everyone remember the original post...leave religion out of the discussion please.