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hey hey man ..stflook i was just joking ok...u should always give points for good threads ok and not for free.....Quote:
Originally posted by stflook
You will have to EARN your antipoints. Asking people to give you them for free is not a good idea. If I come across a post that deservs them in the near future, I will give them to you.
but soon i am going to post ....one very good thread ok...
intruder... :borg:
:) Great idea,if it keeps the sad people from ripping the net apart,I 'm for it
The AntiPoints system is a brillant idea. I hope other websites see this system and make a variation of it for their own boards! Great thinking JP.
AntiPoints are a great idea, so long as people don't start abusing them by giving someone loads of negative points (which JP seems to have stopped them doing anyway).
Well done JP! (now what's next???)
Well, I have a lil comment on antipoints.. It is great and all but users like me who are the digital anarchist type at heart (not but blowing up stuff but I am unpleased by windows xp. If I say i think windows xp sucks.. bamm screen full of negative antipoints.
heh oh well.. antipoints seems to please the mass so i shall conform in my nonconformist way.
:confused:Are they JUST for showing one's status in the AntiOnline community, or are they for something else? What happens when somebody reaches a certian amout of Anti Points? Do they get something? A lunch box perhaps? That would be nice, or even a t-shirt.:confused:
The History of AnarchismQuote:
Originally posted by evilseed
Well, I have a lil comment on antipoints.. It is great and all but users like me who are the digital anarchist type at heart (not but blowing up stuff but I am unpleased by windows xp. If I say i think windows xp sucks.. bamm screen full of negative antipoints.
heh oh well.. antipoints seems to please the mass so i shall conform in my nonconformist way.
by Brian Crabtree (1992)
The rejection of authority dates back to the Stoics and Cynics, and
has been around for millenia. However, the terms anarchist, anarchism, and
anarchy, from the Greek "an archos" (without a rule), were used entirely in a
negative manner before the nineteenth century.
~ Proudhon and the Mutualists ~
In 1840, in his controversial "What Is Property", French political
writer and socialist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon became the first person to call
himself an Anarchist. In this book, Proudhon stated that the real laws of
society have nothing to do with authority, but stem instead from the nature of
society itself. He also predicted the eventual dissolve of authority and the
appearence of a natural social order. "As man seeks justice in equality, so
society seeks justice in anarchy. Anarchy - the absence of a sovereign - such
is the form of government to which we are every day approximating." He was a
'peaceful anarchist'; he believed that within existing society, the
organizations could be created that would eventually replace it. Proudhon was
born in 1809, originally a peasant, the son of a brewer. His "What Is Property"
and "System of Economic Contradictions" established him in the socialist
community. Later he went on to write "The Federal Principle" and "The
Political Capability of the Working Class".
Although he declared in "What Is Property" that "property is theft",
he did not support communism, and regarded the right of workers to control the
means of production as an important part of freedom. He never considered
himself the originator of a movement, but he did propose a federal system of
autonomous communes. He had many followers, but they preferred the title
'Mutualists' to 'Anarchists'; Anarchism still bore a negative connotation.
Proudhon and the Mutualists, along with British tradeunionists and socialists,
formed the First International Workingmen's Association.
~ Bakunin and Collectivism ~
"The passion for destruction is also a creative passion" - These words
would accurately summarize the position of Mikail Bakunin and the
Collectivists. Bakunin believed that Anarchy was only possible through a
violent revolution, obliterating all existing institutions. He was originally
a nobleman, but became a revolutionary and joined the International in the
1860's, after founding the Social Democratic Alliance and modifying Proudhon's
teachings into a new doctrine known as Collectivism. Bakunin taught that
property rights were impractical and that the means of production should be
owned collectively. He was strongly opposed to Karl Marx, also a member of
the International, and his ideas of a proletarian dictatorship. This conlict
eventually tore the International apart in 1872. He died in 1876, but the
next International that he and the Collectivists started in 1873 lasted for
another year. Later, his followers finally accepted the title of 'Anarchist'.
~ Prince Peter Kropotkin ~
In 1876, when he became a revolutionary, Peter Kropotkin renounced his
title of Prince and became successor to Mikail Bakunin. He developed the
theory of Anarchist Communism: not only should the means of production be owned
collectively, but the products should be completely communized as well. This
revised Thomas More's Utopian idea of storehouses, "From each according to his
means, to each according to his needs." Kropotkin wrote "The Conquest of
Bread" in 1892, in which he sketched his vision of a federation of free
Communist groups. In 1899 he wrote "Memoirs of a Revolutionist", an
autobiographical work, and "Fields, Factories, and Workshops", which put
forward ideas on the decentralization of industry necessary for an Anarchist
society. He later proved by biological and sociological evidence that
cooperation is more natural than coercion ("Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution"
- 1902). Kropotkin's writings completed the vision of the Anarchist future,
and little new has been added since.
~ The Anarchist Movement ~
Even before Proudhon entered the scene, Anarchist activism was going
on. The first plans for an Anarchist commonwealth were made by an Englishman
named Gerrard Winstanley, who founded the tiny Digger movement. In his 1649
pamphlet, "Truth Lifting Up Its Head Above Scandals", he wrote that power
corrupts, that property is incompatible with freedom, and that men can only be
free and happy in a society without governmental interference, where work and
its products are shared (what was to become the foundation for Anarchist
theory in the years to come). He led a group of followers to a hillside where
they established an Anarchist village, but this experiment was quickly
destroyed by local opposition. Later another Englishman, William Godwin,
would write 'Political Justice', which said that authority was against nature,
and that social evils exist because men are not free to act according to
reason.
Among Italian Anarchists, an activist attitude was prevalent. Said
Errico Malatesta in 1876, "The insurrectionary deed, destined to affirm
socialist principles by acts, is the most efficacious means of propaganda."
The first acts were rural insurrections, meant to arouse the uneducated
citizens of the Italian countryside, but these were unsuccessful. Afterward
this activism tended to take the form of individual acts of protest by
'terrorists', who attempted to assassinate ruling figures in the hope of
demonstrating the vulnerability of the structure of authority and inspiring
others by their self-sacrifice. From 1890- 1901, a chain of assassinations
took place: King Umberto I, Italy; Empress Elizabeth, Austria; President
Carnot, France; President McKinley, United Stated; and Spanish Prime Minister
Antonio C novas del Castillo. Unfortunately, these acts had the opposite
effect of what was intended- they established the idea of the Anarchist as a
mindless destroyer.
Also during the 1890's, many French painters, writers, and other
artists discovered Anarchism, and were attracted to it because of its
individualist ideas. In England, writer Oscar Wilde became an Anarchist, and
in 1891 wrote "The Soul of Man Under Socialism".
Anarchism was also a strong movement in Spain. The first Anarchist
journal, "El Porvenir", was published in 1845, but was quickly silenced.
Branches of the International were established by Guiseppe Fanelli in Barcelona
and Madrid. By 1870, there were over 40,000 Spanish Anarchists members; by
1873, 60,000, mostly organized in workingmen's associations, but in 1874 the
movement was forced underground. In the 1880's and '90's, the Spanish
Anarchist movement tended toward terrorism and insurrections.
The Spanish civil war was the perfect opportunity to finally put ideas
into action on a large scale. Factories and railways were taken over. In
Andalusia, Catalonia, and Levante, peasents seized the land. Autonomous
libertarian villages were set up, like those described in Kropotkin's 'The
Conquest of Bread'. Internal use of money was abolished, the land was tilled
collectively, the village products were sold or exchanged on behalf of the
entire community, and each family recieved an equal share of necessities they
could not produce themselves. Many of these such communes were even more
efficient than the other villages. Although the Spanish Anarchists failed
because they did not have the ability to carry out sustained warfare, they
succeeded in inspiring many and showing that Anarchy can work efficiently.
Although two of the greatest Anarchist leaders, Bakunin and Kropotkin,
were Russian, totalitarian censorship managed to supress most of the movement,
and it was never very strong in Russia. Only one revolutionary, N.I. Makhno, a
peasant, managed to raise an insurrectionary army and, by brilliant guerilla
tactics, took temporary control of a large part of the Ukraine from both Red
and White armies. His exile in 1921 marked the death of the Anarchist
movement in Russia.
Throughout American history, there has been a tradition of both
violent and pacifist Anarchism. Henry David Thoreau, a nonviolent Anarchist
writer, and Emma Goldman an Anarchist activist, are a couple of examples.
Activist Anarchism, however, was mainly sustained by immigrants from Europe.
In the late 1800's, Anarchism was a part of life for many. In 1886, four
Anarchists were wrongfully executed for alleged involvement in the Haymarket
bombing, in which seven policemen were killed. President McKinley was
assassinated in 1901 by Leon Czolgosz, a Polish Anarchist.
Especially since 1917, Anarchism has appealed to intellectuals. In
1932, Aldous Huxley wrote "Brave New World", which warned of a mindless,
materialistic existence a modernized society could produce, and in the
'Foreword' of the 1946 edition, he said that he believed that only through
radical decentralization and a politics that was "Kropotkinesque and
cooperative" could the dangers of modern society be escaped. After World War
][, Anarchist groups reappeared in almost all countries where they had once
existed, excepting Spain and the Soviet Union. In the 1970's, Anarchism drew
much attention and interest, and rebellious students often started collectives.
Still published is a monthly British publication, called "Anarchy", which
applies Anarchist principles to modern life.
Anarchism, although often mistakenly thought of as violent and
destructive, is not that at all. Anarchists, though some may advocate a
swift and violent revolution, envision a peaceful and harmonious society,
based on a natural order of cooperation rather than an artificial system based
on coercion.
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And you call yourself a Digital Anarchist?
And and for the young man who gave me a red antipoints for this at least give a worthwhile explanation and stop abusing the system please.
Some thoughts about AntiPoints... I think it would be good if closed threads were blocked from AP-giving. I've gotten some negative points for my messages from already closed threads. OK, now I'm just whining because I get negative points? Well, let's also block the entire Role Call -forum for AP-giving, I got some positive AP's for my message there, reason was/reasons were something like "nice english!". I feel a bit guilty about that but the negative points I got from closed threads obviously fixed it... ;) Maybe writing to Role Call could automatically give you an AP or two, just to give courage to new members to write about themselves.
-ZeroOne :cool:
Well its certainly a different system from what i've seen else where....
I think some people don't appreciate the point system. It actually helps all of us! ex: this prevents someone or atleast makes it much more difficult for them to use to seperate user i.d.'s. thus as JP said, you can tell whose advice to take over someone who is full of crap.... this is useful to new AO joiners :D