On demand of Ennis

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Originally posted by ThePreacher


First of all I never said anyone who penetrates a system is a cracker. Its only when you illegally penetrate the system that you earn this title. Second this is not a society where info should be available to everyone. We are people who judge on outward appearances and rumors. Imagine if all of your personal info was available to anyone. Your neighbors could find out by checking a doctors log that you suffered mental illness as a child, so now noone trusts you. Now imagine yourself as a business and you are coming out with an invention that will rock the world. Right before you release it another company accesses your files, steals your ideas, and makes the money that should have been yours. In this world where all info is available to everyone, this would be possible. Also if info is free for us to use, why not the government. They could use this to spy on all of us all the time. You say that regulating info should be illegal, but what if someone could easily get your credit card number? You would cry a different story after recieving a super high bill. Dont think im flaming you because I agree that to a point a lot of info should be free abd open to everyone, but a lot should not also.

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I hear you on that one.And I will not disagree with your point. Its only that privacy laws are twisted in such a way that it leads to over regulation in its name. Thats why we want to get bin-laden and that whole bunch in "military tribunals" We KNOW our rights and justice system sometimes delay justice and its the price we pay for them.

The delay is good.

Quick justice is bad justice

Things always need some time to get a satisfactory result. The time may not be to long but also not to short.

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Originally posted by larryjs
I hear you on that one.And I will not disagree with your point. Its only that privacy laws are twisted in such a way that it leads to over regulation in its name. Thats why we want to get bin-laden and that whole bunch in "military tribunals" We KNOW our rights and justice system sometimes delay justice and its the price we pay for them.

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The way that privacy laws are becoming I fear for myself and everyone in the u.s. I have hopes that a lot of information can be available to everyone, but there are always those who will abuse this power. With the problems my country is going through we might face even less privacy, but how can the u.s. govern a world wide network? For instance it might be illegal to create new encrytion keys here in the u.s. but what about some smaller countries that dont have time or resources to comply. Would the government prevent this country from accessing any info from these places? When does the government go overboard and deny us access to whatever they dont want us to see? At this point I might give up my glowing white hat and step into the dark side so that I can learn the truth. Most of us are not children, so we can make our own decisions on what info we will access from the internet. Im rambling on now so please forgive me if you dont like long posts.

i have been ready this post and i just see that everybody just says that hacking is ilegal i now is ilegal but most of you have the nowledge to do it and i'm sure you haved hacked sometime on your life am a newbie (i don't think i get to that yet either) but i want to ask a question is it ilegal then why do the ****ing damn goverments, organizations and all that like to it they don't care because they thinkj they have the power to control us, the more restriccions they put the less freedom the pèople will have, are you guys saying that is right that the goverments step on the laws, civil rights to cacht a few criminals by there book i'll tell you something i don't care if it's ilegal i don't do it but am not gonna let them do it either i leave in a country with suposed freedom but a **** is freedom until you get in their book then tell me how are you gonna think that it was for your good damn hell of course not.but this point afects another want what is freedom free to live how you want, to believe what you want, etc..
but not to damage people and hurt others then the freedom stops when you juststart geting in their way
tx for hearing my opinion (my english is quite bad so sorry if i don't express myself well)

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what is freedom free to live how you want, to believe what you want, etc..

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That's not freedom.
freedom is doing your duty (see Kant)

What you are discribing is political and religious freedom

That's not freedom.
freedom is doing your duty (see Kant)


i think you have misundrestand me am not talking about political nor religious freedom am just talking about freedom i do't care what it is and plus freedom is not doing your duty is just having free choice
what i was trying to tell you is that everybody is free to do whatever they want if it does not get involved denieing any other people freedom
example:i'm free to goout with watever girl i want as long as she wants to go with me my freedom stops when i try to force her thats not freedom .
tx for answering back.

I could be wrong but it seems that you didn't get my point.
(perhaps it's my poor english?)

I mean: freedom of choice is something from the mind, follow your one mind and will that's freedom.

It's not the freedom to choose vanilla or mokka ice-cream that would just be freedom of action or thought.

Real freedom is a mind thing (think about Nelson Mandela or Ghandi or Martin Luther King and you see what I mean)

I have a dream...freedom at last

yes it was a misunderstud i think like you but i did not now how to express it
tx for expressing yourself.

Sometimes language is diffucult.

So it happens that things get screwed up like hacker / cracker and the freedom issue

Well this topic truly went from one thing to another, anyway Im pretty sure most of the topic has been covered and if anyone would like to add anything else they consider important do so now before this thread falls into oblivion.

End The Flaming! ;)