Racial Profiling or Protecting our Country - Which is More Important?

Why do you think we won the revolutionary war? Not from numbers, that's for damned sure. The French helped, but they weren't the deciding factor. We would have been knocked down real fast if we wouldn't have adapted to the ways of the indians, now known as your guriella (SP, I can't spell that word, too hard) warfare. That's been how wars are fought since then. No more lining up and dying in the middle of a field. We have to play smart and adapt to their ways like jinxy said. Get ourselves one step ahead of them, and don't be bullheaded idiots that piss them off more by saying we're out to get you (bush). If we don't adapt, we are going to get beat. Look at what happened to the brits. They lost us, then they lost their other colonies to the same type of rebillions that were fought "uncivilized" as it was called at that time... That's just for those of you who think we have to fight civilized. They aren't, why the hell should we?

"All is fair in love and war"

The Grunt,

We didn't loose our empire to guerilla warfare. We were so broke after the first world war we had to give it up..We carried out a tactical withdrawal under fire. A bit like when you are making love without a condom :)

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Originally posted here by The Grunt
We would have been knocked down real fast if we wouldn't have adapted to the ways of the indians, now known as your guriella (SP, I can't spell that word, too hard) warfare. That's been how wars are fought since then. No more lining up and dying in the middle of a field.

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Technically(or arguably, if you rather), the Amercian Civil War was the last Napoleonic war. There was a tremendous increase in weapons technology during the 1800's. And while, smartly so, the colonists of the 1700's adapted their tactics to take advantage of the terrain and throw the British off guard, the Civil War soldiers (except those in the Western Theater) were not so clever.

Most generals in the Civil War were taught at West Point (or V.M.I) with books that reflected tactics and strategies successully implemented during the Napoleonic Wars. These teachings were the foundations from which Civil War generals planned their attacks. All but a very few refused or failed to see the need to adapt their strategy/tactics to reflect the increase in weapons technology. They still fought rank and file. So, actually they were still "lining up and dying in the middle of a field" - even after the American Revolution.

If you want to read more on the subject of modernizing the Army's tactics you should check out Upton and the Army.

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Emory Upton, a hero of the Civil War and a brilliant tactician who was the first to recognize the need for new army tactics brought about by the changing technology of the Civil War.

Ambrose covers Upton's full life story, his brilliant tactical evolutions of the War, and his struggle to modernize the Army manual of tactics.

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Here is a review of the book.

My opinion is that the U.S.....from Vietnam on has NEVER figured out the correct way to fight at the tactical level. I won't EVEN get out that soapbox. :(

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... and don't be bullheaded idiots that piss them off more by saying we're out to get you (bush).

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Do you have any ****ing clue about what the **** you're talking about?


OH NO, Lets not piss off the Terrorists. **** them. We'll go after every single one of them and kill them. According to you...countries should not declare war againts each other then...just attack when they're not looking. The terrorists have declared war on us for years...and we just realized it and finally we're doing something about it. NO ****ING **** WE"RE OUT TO GET THEM. THEY ****ED WITH US! THEY ****ING KILLED 3000+ INNOCENT CIVILIANS, CHILDREN, WOMEN, and you really think that we give a **** that they're pissed. If they're pissed, then we're insanely mad because we ARE GOING TO ****ING KILL EVERY ONE OF THEM!

The French were a very deciding factor btw, don't fool yourself.

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Most generals in the Civil War were taught at West Point (or V.M.I) with books that reflected tactics and strategies successully implemented during the Napoleonic Wars

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So when facing cavalry form square, when facing infantry form line.

When Nepolians army advanced on an eneny they did so in colume the object being, there was less of a target area for the enemy, and more weight behind the attack which would punch a hole into the enemies line. Breaking the line was a shore sign of victory. And very succesfull it was untill he met Wellington at Waterloo.

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When Nepolians army advanced on an eneny they did so in colume the object being, there was less of a target area for the enemy, and more weight behind the attack which would punch a hole into the enemies line. Breaking the line was a shore sign of victory. And very succesfull it was untill he met Wellington at Waterloo.

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A tactic that was stolen/adapted from the battles of Agincourt, Crecy and the like where a select group of heavily armoured knights formed the "Varward", (forward), who led the charge by some distance in a narrow arrowhead formation straight up the gut of the enemy line. The purpose was to present a small target that produces maximum effect at the point of impact which, if successful, could then turn around and pick away at the line from behind.....

Nothing changes in war except the weapons - which in turn alters the distances.

The German Blitzkrieg of WWII used the same tactic except their "Vaward" was led by Tank divisions, the line was an entire country's border and he used multiple "Vawards". Same thing on a bigger scale..... We just did the same thing in Iraq.

It's called a "classic"..... ;)

We aren't fighting a "war" on terror.... It's just a "pleasant" way of indicating that we understand the threat and that we will deal with it with maximum force. We may fight some battles, (Iraq and Afganistan), in a similar fashion to the way we would fight a war but the enemy we are ultimately after cannot be engaged in those terms. Remember, we are fighting a "war" on drugs but I haven't seen any Stealth Bombers heading to Columbia....... ;)

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We carried out a tactical withdrawal under fire.

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We didn't retreat; we merely advanced in the opposite direction.................:eek:

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Remember, we are fighting a "war" on drugs but I haven't seen any Stealth Bombers heading to Columbia.......

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As they are stealth; the only time you see them is on CNN............:D

And for some comments re:- America's ability to fight back, and their attitude..........

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"To those who are fighting and bombarding us, they should understand the
Afghan man is a fighter willing to die for jihad."
-- Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar

"I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his
country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his
country."
-- General George S. Patton

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To those extremists that perpetrated this crime against our nation ... I
have news for you. We're more f_cking nuts than you, and it should scare
you shitless.
You may think that when you die for your cause, you go to Paradise with
72 virgins, can leave reservations for 70 members of your family, all
your sins are forgiven, and you sit at the side of Allah. Big deal. We
had 39 guys who rented a Beverly Hills mansion, cut off their nuts,
built a web site, and proceeded to poison themselves to death to hitch a
ride with aliens out on the Hale-Bopp comet.

-- excerpt from "Only a Crazy Person Picks a Fight With Someone Who's Nuts"
by Laurence Simon

( the entire article is online at
http://www.writtenbyme.com/content/63250 )

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Sorry, but the link appears to be down, or it might be my F/W again.......

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we are fighting a "war" on drugs but I haven't seen any Stealth Bombers heading to Columbia.......

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That maybe true but the use of non conventional forces has been used. Peter McAleese comes comes to mind here. Tacit aproval from th CIA for him to select a team and go kill Escobar. If his book can be believed.

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As they are stealth; the only time you see them is on CNN

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After they are shot down :p

I feel like I am reading a thread hosted by war generals chatting in the library toasting over a night cap.

I'm just going to throw this in and see what happens. Did anyone hear Kerry's speech where he said "we need to fight a more sensitive war".!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This makes me utterly SICK. If this pussy wins we're doomed.