Ok u say end of the universe exists. But dont u think that the scientists claim universe to be oval and weigh around 10^55-10^57. so i think enbd of an oval shaped thing????????? If u can give us the link so that we can clear our doubts.
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Ok u say end of the universe exists. But dont u think that the scientists claim universe to be oval and weigh around 10^55-10^57. so i think enbd of an oval shaped thing????????? If u can give us the link so that we can clear our doubts.
I still think that it boils down to terminology. Unfortunately a lot of our media can be quite inaccurate when describing scientific concepts.
I believe that they are actually referring to the perimeter of the Universe.
As far as I am aware, we have no instrumentation capable of detecting such a thing, so I suspect that it is some sort of clever mathematical extrapolation?
In most of the literature I have read, the "end" of the Universe generally refers to its "death" :)
But there is a much nicer restaurant at the "other end" of the universe...:thumbsup: going my way....Quote:
Originally Posted by nihil
Hi...
Considering the Universe is expanding faster than the speed of light we have no known way to ever observe it based on current understanding. But I hear there is a nice restaurant at the end.
Recycle is an ugly word when applied to a being. Let me explain. If I am born, I am beginning my adventure using particles that were created during the so called Big Bangerama. As Carl Sagan put it, we are all "star stuff". When you observe my passing you formulate an end of my life - a closure. But I do not wink from existence. I decay and oddly enough some of my particles go into the soil and plant matter surrounding me. Another rabbit could eat the carrot that absorbed my nutritive energy and a fox could eat Mr. Winkles the rabbit. Passing part of him to her offspring.Quote:
I repeat, show me something in life that starts but doesn't end. By giving an event a start, by definition you're making it finite.
If the fox is not quick enough, Mr. Winkles may wonder into a yard one day and become stew for a young pregnant woman. A stew containing billions upon billion of particles from an almost infinite source. And the child inside her takes those building blocks to create a new sentient being. There is no end. There is no beginning but one. One that is, we can observe. And our reality has base in what we detect or predict.
There are solid theories for example that predict, through observation and mathematics, that there is no end to our solitary universe. But either prediction, closed universe or infinite universe spells d.i.s.a.s.t.e.r.
On one end we retract to the beginning and die. One would assume time, a dimension of a continuum may reverse? Perhaps causing another Big Bowling Alley of another reality and another perception of time. On the other end, particles continue to drift apart in all directions eventually ceasing to exist through observation. That is; we get so far apart we can no longer see anything but emptiness. A black void with no observable cues to contemplate reality outside of thought.
This discussion took a turn but I focused on the idea of it's original intent.
Good thing God changed his mind !. And yeah... no "in laws" in heaven !Quote:
I'm not expecting you to accept what I say now, this is just what I believe (and others who interpret the Bible in a like minded way and have faith in it) and I'm sorry if it's hard to swallow. Man was created free from sin, and in a sinless world, there would be no problem with multiplying from other perfect men and women. However, as everyone knows the story, Eve ate from the forbidden fruit and Adam followed suit and they became tainted with sin and evil crept into mankind. Even after this event, we were not such an imperfect race that sexual relations between close relatives would have caused the genetic problems that inbreeding now does.
However, in Leviticus God told Moses that incestuous relationships were forbidden, and indeed religious or not, most people accept that today it would be wrong from the genetic point of view if nothing else.
So the answer to your question in a nutshell is, yes relationships with family members were fine in the days following Adam and Eve, but that was not the case post Mosaic law.
Nihil: Hmm ... yeah its self awareness. Its when you realize that there is no difference between the self and everything else. I really don't know the way they teach meditation in Churches. I guessed it would involve pleasing God. After all, Isn't Christianity all about pleasing God and getting a free trip to heaven ? :-)
OK PacketThirst, I will attempt to explain. You average (non-cleric/minister) Christian will indulge in:
1. Private prayers.
2. Family prayers.
3. Collective prayers. This is usually in a church or chapel with other members of the congregation. Although there are "prayer groups" as well.
4. Contemplation. This involves reading the scriptures, theological works, the lives of the saints and so on. In this category I would also put bible study groups, retreats and missions.
Actual meditation one would only expect to be "taught" in monasteries and training establishments for clerics. From my limited discussions with people of far eastern religions it is very similar. It is about bettering self awareness, rather than pleasing God. After all, the Bhuddists don't even have a clear concept of an all powerful deity? They do not seem to consider it to be that important.
Christians are supposed to please God by the way they live their lives.
Christianity seems more focused on sin. And the absolvation of it. Is that even a word? ;) We are all born with sin and only through salvation and acceptance of god, not necessarily pleasing him, do we achieve enlightenment.
Islam and the revelation of Muha'ahamed (my own spelling) are more about pleasing god. It seems also the old testament and teaching of Moses was about pleasing god. Doing things to earn favor.
Hi RoadClosed I think that the word you were looking for is "absolution" (forgiveness).
I do agree that there is a similarity between the Prophets Mohammed and Moses. They were both lawgivers. Jesus on the other hand, was following on after Moses, so had a different message.
Christians go to a shop and buy a Bible, that contains the Old Testament and New Testament.
To find the Islamic equivalents of the later teaching you have to look around a bit. After the Holy Qu'ran itself, I believe that the next most authentic sources of Islam are the Hadith of Al-Bukhari and Al-Moslem. There are numerous other Hadith and many theology books. I even have one on Islamic economics and banking ;)
Well Muha'Ahamed was also following on after Moses. And after Christ. At it's most simplistic. God had many prophets but only Muha'Ahamed kept the true word and thus no more were necessary. Big Mo gets the last word. ;)
He even stated that Moses and Jesus where great prophets but the word was lost over time. So god tried again by contacting Mohammed, who is never more than a mortal man. Thus their is not church or formal structure of a congregation like Christianity. The Quran doesn't say as much compared to other books like the gospels. So it's the Hadith and other writings that make up most of modern Islam using the Quran as a guide. And these writing were witness testimony to what others heard Big MO say. Or direct witness of his actions. When someone says their father told his father that he saw muha'ahamed ... walk to a lake and pray..., they have tried their best to track the entire chain of knowledge. Scoring each one for validity. That is kind of what the Hadith is. Since Mo was "pure" meaning god would not talk to an unclean being, it is then the desire of Islam to imitate him and his actions.
I'm trying to find this link as we speak ... ah, here's something:Quote:
Originally Posted by tapu
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ay_040524.html
I think nihil raised a good point when he said that we may all have different ideas as to what the "end" implies. Do we mean perimeter, or end as in time?
I know the "free trip to heaven" was meant in a frivolous way, but I believe that it can have benefits here and now. Basically, if you live by the ten commandments in life, you don't go far wrong. I'm not saying I do, I hasten to add :) but I'd rather be surrounded by pleasantness if possible.