I can explain it. God IS perfect, hes just a stoner.
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I can explain it. God IS perfect, hes just a stoner.
And why did He make the mosquito and why do tornadoes occur? I know, I get this all the time :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by JPnyc
The fact is God is perfect but God is not the ruling force in our world. Fighting God is the Devil whose existence I believe in just as strongly. If you have problems with the word devil, just exchange it for evil which not many people can dispute. It's that innate, inborn, true evil which cannot be accounted for by upbringing or environment.
Emmm if God is perfect and he created everything where did the devil come from?
God didn't create the devil. I don't know where the forces of dark and evil came from ... it's an unanswerable question. At the end of the day whatever theory you believe in - where did everything come from? Where did matter originate? Why do we exist?
Well, if God is omnipresent, then God and Satan are the same in one. This idea is is better known as trans duality. Basically, the argument follows as such:
For Satan to exist, God could not be omnipresent. If God were to be trully omnipresent and we assumed Satan/Evil exists, logic would dictate that God must also be evil.
Basically trans duality means that if God is omnipresent, It transcends moral dualism (the fight between good & evil because God is both good & evil)
Sigh. I feel like I'm back in my Philosophy of Religion class at college. :eek:
I go for the argument that says God and the Devil co-exist. You're right, God cannot be omnipresent if you acknowledge the existence of evil.
LOL ... well, I'm now off to something entirely different, the local rugby match. Falcons vs Saracens at Kingston Park in the Guinness Premiership!Quote:
Sigh. I feel like I'm back in my Philosophy of Religion class at college.
After a life of agnosticism, I have accepted that there is a supreme being, God if you will, its a comfortable feeling as I've reached the age that there are few mentors left for me (coach, scoutmaster, dad etc etc.) So I have pretty one sided conversations with the Almighty when I feel that I need some counseling or guidance. Quite often I find answers, divine intervention or just thinking things out?
I have never accepted a "devil". When people accept that there is a satan, they then try to exonerate themselves from responsibility for their own evil or misdeeds. "The devil made me do it." or "The temptation was just too much."
Man as a whole doesn't need a devil, we can be pretty evil on our own.
Having accepted God, it is not for me to try to convince someone else that God exists. It is not for me to prove. It is not for me to force a definition of God to someone else. He or she will come up with their own version (or not).
Far more worrying is when people say such things refering to God. "Its God's will that I kill you unbeliever" etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by fourdc
As for the whole good/evil thing....one can not exist without the other. Good is the absense of evil and evil is the absense of good. Same as how would you describe light and dark if noone had eyes? no-one would even know the difference. In the end, good and evil are just words. We apply them to describe events and by definition they can't exist without each other.
Now, the concept of a force of good and a force of evil is different. If either is possible both are possible.
I quite agree. Why the problems accepting evil as a force? It's entirely different to absolving yourself from all responsibility. I believe deep down, if we really follow it through, we find we're responsible for a hell of a lot more of our actions than we're willing to admit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aardpsymon
If we tread upon the subject of evil and our responsibility for it we'll have to analyze our sins of omission as well as our sins of commission.
Is it a sin to do nothing while evil happens even if we aren't participating in it?