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Found it here: http://www.europarl.eu.int/tempcom/e...echelon_en.pdf (784KB)
Here's the explanationQuote:
Originally posted here by ntsa
Thanks for that Guus -- Wow, you've got lots of dots and some of them are /shiny/! Who do you sleep with to become a senior member? ;)
But I digress.
You mean like <code>[code here]</code>? (not seen that b4)
I also would like to express my gratitude to the people people of Italy for the invention of pizza. Good on y'lads! :)
of all the tags you can use to format your posts
:cool:
RCGreen --
Thanks for that - nice way of getting round chevrons in user input too. I'll remember that ;)
Bingo!Quote:
Originally posted here by ntsa
[... sifting through Internet traffic in real time...]
So sifting through this information would a mamouth task. And you would have to have specific information to look for or else you might as well not bother. So ask yourself - if you, the individual, are doing nothing wrong, why would the goverment go to all the trouble?
And, I think (one of the correlaries goes something like: if you have nothing to hide, then what's with all the secrecy (with respect to crpyto, etc).
Seriously though... I remember working at a company, a good number of years now, where every year we'd receive a few CDs filled with data that we were to "sift" through for very specific information (like, find everything related to this war, between these years, but not dealign with this subject, unless it speaks of another particular event). We'd have a few dozen such things to look for, and a crapload of data to parse... for a primer, they'd give us the answers with the "test" data. Not long after, we receive another batch where we were to find the answers to the same questions, except no answers this time... we were to send them back our results, etc, and they "graded us."
Given how long ago that's been, now, technology has sufficiently advanced...
Also, given work I've done over the last couple of years, I know that a "list" that would fit in to ntsa's post does, in fact, exist. Let me preface that only by saying that I've seen a rather small-ish one - and one that, I would imagine, is only deployed in limited fashion... I can only speculate as to what might be around in broader fashion.
True, though watermarking and stenography are now starting to get wider attention and, I'd venture, might become more of an issue as search engines advance suitably. I've known of some that were already working on things like allowing images to be "searchable" by description (and we're not talking simply "indexed tags" here).Quote:
This is the reason why most minor transgressions on the Internet (including those of copyright) are ignored. They don't make a loud enough bang against the background din to get noticed. It is only when you do something really, really stupid like a DoS attack or other kiddie scripting stuff that you come to the attention of the authorites.
(Very nice post/comments, BTW, ntsa)
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Originally posted here by Mankan
[B] [...] even constitutional rights sometimes must change because they were invented in the first place to cover a need that might have been urgent in the past but isn't any more.
Funny thing is that when we gain right we call it evolution and civilization but when we loose old rights we scream in anger of mutilated freedom.
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Good point... guess I'm perhaps a bit "over sensitive" just simply because I don't think that the government should do anything to interfere with anyone's personal "right" to screw their own lives up, etc. Yes, we need laws to protect us from each other, but I think the line needs to be drawn more on the "be kind to your neighbor" side rather than the "don't pick that up, you'll hurt yourself" side... if that makes any sense.
(So, yeah, I think any "natural" drugs or substances should be legal (no, I don't touch the stuff, though I choke back a few beers once in a while) and, at the same time, people should be completely 100% responsible for themselves while using them or under the influence, no matter what "altered" state they find themselves in... personal responsibility being the prime key. But, I guess in the big picture, people can't be trusted to be intelligent enough to handle such responsibilities... ok, I'll stop rambling now - guess it's getting late/early)
lol. Oh, okay then. I am not pro-govenment (or anti for that matter), but I /am/ pro-society (either online or off) and any society needs some process of governance to function. Whilst I might not agree with the individual politics of any given encumbant I apprecaite that there has to be a process (someone has to collect the garbage, repair the roads and tend to the sick and destitute).Quote:
Of course not. I'm the anti-libertarian, pro-government dude in this thread remember?
If you don't like the political flavour of the current incumbant you have 3 choices:
a. Get Involved (If you want a job done right...)
b. Move to somewhere with a different political climate (I hear communism is very nice this time of year :D)
c. Grin and bear it (and use your vote more wisely next time)
But in terms of sanction (by government?) of knowledge or information (quite how the knowledge would be removed from the individual might make an interesting topic - hoover maybe?? ) I have another analogy.
Let's say I design automobiles. By designing automobiles I create jobs and wealth at a local level and through the process of corporate taxation increase the wealth of my nation. I am very unlikley to attract the attention of the authorities.
Now let's image I use the same knowledge to hotwire cars and go joyriding. When I stand in the dock should my defence be that, "the knowledge /made/ me do it"? (If anyone has tried this defence please let me know how the sentencing went ) Probably not.
If a hypothetical 'Cyber-scene-of-crime' officer could trace us back from the scence of an online mugging would that be a bad thing? Or in fact any different to the investigation of an offline crime. The point is that without the mugging there would never have been a scene of crime to trace you back /from/. The touble you caused was greater than the relative amount of effort needed to catch you and in doing so made yourself a target.
I posted this equation before but here it is again with the tabs (thanks guus/RCGreen).
Code:Dim Jail as Unpleasant
Dim NotJail as OkByMe
Sub Main()
Select case (amount of trouble you caused)=>(the effort required to catch you)
Case TRUE
do
DoEvents
Loop until caught
Exit(Jail)
Case else
Exit(NotJail)
End Select
End Sub
:D Thanks! - did you catch my comments about the gnat thing? It would be funnier if it wasn't so accuate. lol. Computers are like air conditioning units. They stop working when you open windows.Quote:
Very nice post/comments, BTW, ntsa
[QUOTE] Originally posted here by zigar
[B]to be honest i've never quite understood the american obsession/distrust/fear of government. On one hand, american democracy is held up to the world as a model that countries should strive to emulate...and on the other hand...there's this complete distrust (warranted or not)...
You have a misunderstanding of Democracy. The purpose is to put the power in the hands of the people and not the government. The whole idea of Democracy is based on a distrust of government (a.k.a. those who seek power). With it [Democracy] the people have the power to get rid of politicians they do not want. Hence the politicians began to fear the wrath of the people when the next election comes around instead of the people having to fear them.
In a non-democratic society the peole are stuck with whatever they get and have no recourse short of a large scale over-throw. They fear their governments and are at the total mercy of those governments.
Of the people, by the people, for the people.
Nice post pwindell :D
Yeah, democracy in its ideals puts the power in the hands of the people... however, in a capitalist society such as the US, that simply doesn't scale. Politicians are elected by money (or at least because of) -- and we're (apparently) not talking about the type or amount of money people like H. Ross Perot have... evidently, you have to have the kind of money that these so-called "political parties" have donated to them in order to even think about competing in that arena.
And I think the US is still the only country where it's possible for a political figure to win more votes from the people yet still lose an election.
so true. so true. let's hope our world never gets to this....Quote: