9/11 - a conspiracy?

Dalek
I would tend to believe the guys over at MIT also but then again in the US if it wasn't shown on TV and explained in words of three sylabiles or less it probably won't get very much publicity.
I especially love this guy :

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Morgan Reynolds, said the common account of the WTC collapse is "bogus" and suggests a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7. Some have doubted this individual's credibility because he also questioned the involvement of commercial jets stating that "North Tower's hole wasn't big enough for a Boeing 767." [64]

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I suspect that part of the conspiracy and a$$ covering involves the buildings not being up to the standard they were supposed to be.

Now, if that were the case the insurers might go for contributory negligence or some other weasel out tactic ;)

I think it's interesting all of the time and resources spent creating, publishing, analyzing, debating, editing and then rinsing and repeating conspiracy theories, takes time away from battling the situation of the stark relization is that we are all knowing or blissfully unknowing pawns of the 1% elite; not just the US but of the world. Do I have any direct evidence of this? Nope - don't need it - I can however, craft a conspiracy about it, gather then twist any factual data I may need, misquote a few experts and publish!

For all of our analyzation, and for that matter, others engaged in this activity, where will it get us? Perhaps a true understanding of the actual events of what took place - then what? March on the Capitol? Raise a revoltion? Demand our country back? Or will we want a new reality show depicting something akin to that premise?

While MURACU's poignant commentary truly stings, it is at least in part, true. Too many of us have taken the bait for one reason or another and are dumbed down or numbed down to a point of apathy, cynicism and ignorance (Credit - Dilbert). I can still picture our Commander-In-Chief when he heard the news, sitting in the classroom and wanting, nay needing, to hear the end of that story! BTW - I think they are going to spoof that in Scary Movie 4 .

Lastly - I have no doubt that many of you are quite intelligent and experienced in matter of IT and life, I am only wishing to question our train of thought here - perhaps I too, am too cynical and wish for a better government, one that is actually represenative of the people and not of the 1% or special interest groups. Our tragedy should be a lesson for all in many regards, perhaps we are/were too arrogant, bold, ignorant and believed our own press. OBL is merely an icon to our true problems, although, besides improving security to some fashion, I am not believing we have changed. What did it for me is when I see numerous people falling to their death rather than be crushed or burnt alive.

I just realized I have been blathering. Ok - stopping now.

well...I've already stated my point of view...if you've forgotten then please review the last eight pages :p

however, I will interject something here seeing as genXer brought it up...when Bush heard/was whispered the news does anyone actually know what he was told?

If he was told...' Mr. President we have a situation that needs your immediate involvement ' then I can understand, not knowing what happened, why he reacted with mild surprise.

If he was told...' Mr. President hijacked airplanes have plowed into the World Trade Towers '...then...his reaction would seem to be too calm for the moment.

The situation called for a spontaneous response...like I could just see Roosevelt in that same situation :D

Eg ;)

I remember hazily somewhere where it was asked about his lack of a response, and the answer was something to the effect that he didn't want to startle the kids...(could be accurate).????

But your right, about a more spontaneous response, damn the torpedoes and straight ahead is what most people would have expected... :rolleyes:

well, being new here, but not to the world, i wanted to share something to stoke the conspiracy theorists and warm the cackles of your hearts:

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Moussaoui stands by 9/11 attacks

Al-Qaeda plotter Zacarias Moussaoui says he has "no regret, no remorse" for the attacks on 11 September 2001 in the US that killed nearly 3,000 people.
When asked by a lawyer whether he would be prepared to kill Americans, he said: "Anytime, anywhere."

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4906572.stm

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He turned to the Koran for evidence he said backed up his claims that Muslims are called to fight for supremacy for Allah.

"We have to be the superpower, we have to be above you," he said.

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does his view represent that of all followers of Islam?

Wow.. interesting thread. :D Haven't been in a Cosmos thread in awhile, should join back up sometime.. anyways, really quick:

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does his view represent that of all followers of Islam?

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Are you serious? One man's view can not represent an entire religeon (sp? Sorry, kinda drunk..). Geez.. unless of course you're the Pope in which case I'm sure there are those who disagree with what he says.

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when Bush heard/was whispered the news does anyone actually know what he was told?

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Yes, I actually have the tape. It was something to the affect of, "Mr. Bush/President, we have a problem. A commercial airliner has crashed into one of the towers at the WTC". Then after the second plane crashed, it was.. "Mr. President, the United States is under attack. A second plane has crashed into the other tower at the WTC".

Blah.. I wish I could have gotten into this thread earlier on.. :D

911 was a conspiracy. Yes...

Radical men, seasoned with voliance used the ancient god (EL perhaps) and the words of his prophet Muhammed, to indoctrinate younger men to their hatred and ideals. They then used the lack of security and trust of the american people to obtain entry into the united states and establish false identities. They used loopholes in international money laundering and front units to fund their activities. While the UN and the world did nothing. They then traveled around and trained at various places across this nation until 9.11 when they boarded planes, attacked the occupants (killing some), and flew them into ****. Those were were not LUCKY enough to face paradise in a fireball are in Club Med Gitmo. Eating chicken.

Oh wait it was big oil, george bush, and dick cheney.

while not a new update, i still find this update interesting from FindLaw:

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The First Zacarias Moussaoui Sentencing Verdict:
Eligible for Death Based on His Own Contradictory, Uncorroborated Testimony

By ELAINE CASSEL

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http://writ.news.findlaw.com/cassel/20060405.html

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Are you serious? One man's view can not represent an entire religeon (sp? Sorry, kinda drunk..). Geez.. unless of course you're the Pope in which case I'm sure there are those who disagree with what he says.

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spyder32, yes, i was serious, how do we properly filter out anything beyond what we are exposed to in the media; okay, what wer are fed? while, yes, i realize that this thing in human skin does not truly represent, or at least i hope, the vast majority of the followers of Islam, how can you truly know he does not? we are led to believe one way or another, depending on the media outlet you choose, but how can we truly tell? those who may be our friends or allies, may be only in camoflage, waiting to attack at the right moment, shouldn't we be at least a little paranoid? then again, i do not claim to know anything, so you can just disregard my ranting. also, i do appreciate your comment, as it makes me question my own thinking and i wish to caution myself against stereotyping; i just want to have the "right" level of paranoia going through my veins as we all have to deal with this threat in some form or fashion. annnd, i'm done.

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spyder32, yes, i was serious, how do we properly filter out anything beyond what we are exposed to in the media; okay, what wer are fed? while, yes, i realize that this thing in human skin does not truly represent, or at least i hope, the vast majority of the followers of Islam, how can you truly know he does not? we are led to believe one way or another, depending on the media outlet you choose, but how can we truly tell? those who may be our friends or allies, may be only in camoflage, waiting to attack at the right moment, shouldn't we be at least a little paranoid? then again, i do not claim to know anything, so you can just disregard my ranting. also, i do appreciate your comment, as it makes me question my own thinking and i wish to caution myself against stereotyping; i just want to have the "right" level of paranoia going through my veins as we all have to deal with this threat in some form or fashion. annnd, i'm done.

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Whoa.. I won't even debate you then. Paranoia is one thing.. but to say a man's radical words represents an entire religeon is a little far off. Considering in the same media you are speaking of, many Muslims CONSTANTLY denounce EVERYTHING Bin Laden and all his followers say. Yes, please caution yourself from stereotyping. It's okay to be paranoid in a sense.. but yeah.