This probably isn't some huge secret that although I think Gentoo Linux has potential to be a decent distro, I can't stand their Nazi user base. Compared to some Gentoo users I look like a casual user of SUSE. that's sad. This post isn't here to spark anything but to dig up answers from the Gentoo users of AO. I know you exist because most of you don't like me.
Anyway I came across this today as I was going through my usual news reads:
http://linux.coconia.net/gentoo/index.html
Why does this have something bad about gentoo if he's just trying to help people install by making a script? Well, here are some examples:
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A few months ago, I was given a set of Linux distributions which included Gentoo 2005.0. I attempted to install Gentoo, but quickly gave up. This was due to not being able to access the full documentation. I entered the command links /mnt/cdrom/docs/handbook/html/index.html as suggested in the text that appears just after the CD boots. This provided what appeared to be documentation. Unfortunately, having never used the program links before, I did not correctly discover how to navigate the pages. I made the assumption that one used the navigation line
[ << ] [ < ] [ Home ] [ > ] [ >> ]
to navigate the document. However, this was not quite correct. As a result, I only found the index pages. Since then, I have learned that you use the arrow keys to navigate to the various links within the body of a page, then hit enter while over such a link, in order to be sent to wherever that link is pointing. At the time, this was not at all apparent, and without instructions, it was pointless continuing with the installation (actually, I should be thankful that I was using 2005.0, as 2005.1 "accidentally" provides the wrong address for the documentation).
OK so he had a problem using Links, no big deal, everyone doesn't know how to use every browser on Earth.
This is something even I wouldn't flame the poor guy for. Hell just a few days ago I helped someone with a host name issue on here even though it's probably common Linux knowledge. This is why I wrote the install tutorials that I wrote, there are in fact people on this planet who want to try software but the instructions just don't work.
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Anyway, after giving up on the Gentoo install, I proceeded to install Mandriva 10.2 and Debian 3.1 and was quite impressed with them both.
Some time later, I visited the Gentoo web-site, and found the installation manual. Armed with a copy of the manual, I figured I would give the installation another go. After a fair bit of digging around, I managed to get a working desktop. About this time Gentoo 2005.1 was released. With my 2005.0 experience, I felt it would be relatively easy to record the commands used in the installation of 2005.1 and write the process as a script (or set of scripts). This is the result.
One surprising thing I discovered along the way, is that some of the Gentoo group have an interest in "accidentally" making the installation process much more difficult than it need be. Let me relate the following incident.
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In Gentoo 2005.0, the command emerge --usepkg kde installs the KDE desktop. However, this command does not work in 2005.1. To find out what gives, I registered with the Gentoo forum forums.gentoo.org. After some time I was told that a new command emerge --usepkg kde-meta had been introduced. Why a new command? Why not the natural old command, which after all, now has no purpose at all? I thought this rather strange, but stranger things were yet to come.
That's just stupid. you go from making a command that works and seems right to one that has -meta added to it? WTF for? Were to many people installing it without trouble so you had to stop this so ALL of the user base can be dick heads who think they are better than other Linux users because they managed to think incorrectly that installing an OS makes you something?
You think that's bad? Wait, it gets worse:
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I imagined that a lot of people would be interested in this information and started a thread about it at the forum. To my great surprise, it was deleted (well, actually, it was moved from the installation section, to some hidden corner of their site). So I started another thread, with the same result. This time I was informed that the thread had been moved because the topic had been dealt with in some other post (that had also been quite deliberately hidden away from public view). I repeated this process some 7 or 8 times. Then they banned me.
He tries helping out some other people who may want to try Gentoo out and running into the problem he had and his post gets deleted? Then he gets banned? WTF? Seig Heil Gentoo...
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Think about it, the Gentoo people were so desperate to remove my posts from view, that they hid 7 threads, using 7 times the disk space, rather than have one visible to the public. Actually, the last thread was locked and it quietly sunk out of sight.
Why am I not surpised? They locked his thread so it could have no more replys...
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Since it was doomed to be lost among unvisited/unread pages, the administration felt no need to move or delete it, as they had the other threads. Besides leaving the locked thread there for a few hours was "proof they were not involved in censorship."
Where in the hell have I heard this before..... AH yes, Hitler. First they won't let you speak, then the next thing you know you're in "CD Bake Oven" hell. Only the chosen race shall install this OS.
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So the Gentoo forum administration succeeded in hiding all threads related to the correct installation of KDE.
How helpful of him.
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Some good did come from my persistence, however, as someone added the correct command to the Gentoo KDE installation page the next day. I know this because I saved copies of the page on successive days (just before, and just after, it was added). When last I looked, it had not been added to the installation manual.
Start operation cover up.
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There is plenty of evidence that certain Gentoo people are deliberately (and surreptitiously) crippling their product. Why might this be? Well, for an answer to that, you will have to ask them.
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Wow, this is all even weirder than I at first imagined. I visited Ubuntu's forum, ubuntuforums.org, and started a thread which essentially just pointed to this page. Guess what? Yes, it was deleted. I re-posted it in another section and guess what? Yes, it was deleted again. In the end, I must have posted it there some 8 or 9 times, and 8 or 9 times, it is was deleted. I was then temporarily banned for, you guessed it, "spamming".
Seig Heil, Sie ist nicht gut.
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Other forums that have banned me for pointing to this page are knoppix.net and linuxquestions.org. In case you are wondering, all the mentioned forums (except for linuxquestions.org) banned me before I added the section on Javascript movies.
