windows ME

Am i the only one that thinks WinME sucks really bad seems i feel like :killcompu

I agree!
WinME is the spawn of all that is evil!

So many little things piss me off about that OS...
It tears me up inside how they got rid of SYS and Format /s

damn you microsoft.... damn you...

I have to disagree, Im surprised actually usually ME is spared as the best Windows OS [ of course 98 is the hackers choice?].

Yes, there is an certain degree of crashing. Its not Linux but its still an ok OS, I am running it with a partition [Linux Mandrake].
Ive been using it for say a year or so now, switching betwen Linux for learning [mainly programming, general security] and back to ME for messing about in when my head is sore from real computer work.

Have you tried many other OS, QNX is nice.

win 95 is very fast and you can rebuild it totally

Now i'm no microsoft basher, as an nt admin its my bread and butter, but i have to say any experience i've had of ME has been all bad. Did you ever try to "upgrade" (more of a downgrade if you ask me) a windows 98 pc with applications installed that relied on real mode dos support or the 98 tcp stack?If you did you'll know about the slew of errors that this quite common situation brought with it. Or how about the system file checker that kept some apps from installing?
Imho, win me was just an excuse for microsoft to squeeze the last bit of money from the 9x kernel.

I would have to say that I happen to use ME on one of my computers at home and my wife has it on hers as well. I have not had any problems with my machines. I would have to agree with petemcevoy, in that, the only thing I have seen as a problem is applications running i DOS mode. I say it is time to get out DOS and move into the future. I have never been a big fan of DOS. I do however admit that could be from a lack of knowledge.

Microsoft removed all the good system tools from the DOS age when they released winME.

As I said earlier, i couldnt believe it when i saw that both sys, and format /s are no available.


-8trak

sorry but windows ME sucks. Bill Gates laughing his butt of about the suckers that bought that oper/sys. but if you do want a really good op/sys. try windows 2000 pro. or server. allows you to lock down any port that is open and the security side of it is awsome and im not saying this just because I am MCSE qualified on the 2000 op/sys. stay away from XP unless you want to spend your life savings to get it. Its unburnable, after 30 days with the bootleg copy you installed it shuts itself down unless you call in to microsoft and pay them to register it.

Afaik there's a few ways round the windows xp product activation, and phoning them to pay for it after 30 days wouldn't work either.

I hate the fact that they got rid of DOS, to me DOS was the easy way of fixing problems, trubleshooting, etc.

Just like if Linux took away the consol and went streight to X, instead of having a real consol they would have a "command prompt", i dont know about you but id be pissed....

I like dos because i can load the computer in DOS mode and fix everything that is wrong(almost everything) especially when those damn windows files are messed up, then u gotta get a boot disk and most of the time re-install...

I dont know i guess its just me.

I think you can still use a w98 boot disk and manipulate your me (fat32) partitions with same tools as you would in 98, as long as command.com is loaded into memory to interpret your commands. People seem to be confusing dos - ms dos or microsoft disk operating system (which, incidentally was called qdos or quick and dirty operating system when ms purchased it all those years back) , with the dos prompt - a command interpreter, which you can still use in me. The changes in me were in the way applications accessed memory - with things like video being routed through direct x rather than having direct access to the system memory, and other bits of hardware having to go through the new windows driver model. Admittedly, errors writing to memory could adversley affect your whole system but when it isn't crashing your pc, it does give a performance boost.

While i'm on the subject, i should also add that the same goes for linux, the idea of taking away the "console"or a command line interface, will, i believe, never happen, as long as the kernel remains posix compliant, you should still be able to boot the machine and use any compatible shell to access your partitions - heck, you can even use the perl interpreter to interface with linux, as long as you know enough about the perl language that is!

Win ME = Win 98 with a bunch of **** loaded onto it with no DOS. At the shop I work at the customers get 98SE when we new build/re-build their system. I personally liked havving the direct command line editor. Also, Win ME shouldn't tell me what I can and can't install, it can go to hell, I'll load whatever the hell I want.

Many of my little problems have been sorted through DOS and Ive written tutorials on DOS at various points of my life. It uses to the new user are null, to the old fashioned it is very useful thing indeed.

I will agree there are a few things in DOS that were helpful, but to each his own.

What I get pissed about is the fact MS charges a forune to even upgrade. At least Apple only charges $19.95 for an upgrade with CD. Is what MS is selling worth a life savings, every other year?

winMe = :confused: why the hell did i buy this crap

:sadwin:

Ok

WINME = Bastard child of WIN2000

nuf said!
LB
:killcompu
:killcompu

At the risk of being a loner I have to say that for what I use it for (DivX, Studio Max, Games) Windows aint that bad. It's no unix nor linux and I still have my whole network running the good old penguin product.
But I like to have the odd box running windows and Win Me wasn't too bad cause it was fast. The fact that you couldn't push it to hard without getting a blue screen was an issue but eh.
I do like win Xp though seems to be as fast and more stable.

Sorry legacyboy, but nothing is more annoying than people posting spurrious information, windows me is NOT the bastard child of w2k, the two are quite very different - with win me using a similar kernel to win 98 and w2k being closely linked to the NT kernel.
Nuf said.

Windows ME, personally I don't like but I still have it. I have multiple computers at home that run everything from windows 95 to windows me, windows nt, windows 2000 both pro and server, linux, debian on another. I leave them all running all the time. Yeah, the electric bill is high :) I can say that windows me runs ok for a week then needs a reboot. The 2000 or NT machines need a reboot after a couple of months and the linux machine, hehe what's a reboot?

I do have to agree that Windows ME has better memory management, allowing it to run a few days longer than 98 or 95 before crashing for no reason, LOL.

XP is very expensive in my opinion for an Os.

Price is all relative, you ever have to buy a nt4 server license or terminal services client access licences for clusters that serve 1000's of people - now thats expensive.

I know the ME is off 98,
and 2000 is off NT

but besides that its the same OS
same features
driver signing
and that really neat little shawdow under da mouse,

and you dont have to be such a rude tuff guy
:D

I agree with you. I ran the beta version of Windows ME before it came out, and it rendered my computer totally unusable. That's unacceptible even for a beta version. Everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) gave me illegal operation errors, and more often than not, it wouldn't come out of a screensaver. I couldn't leave my computer from fear that it would die while I was gone.
If you want a good OS, get Windows 2000. Security and stability are great. It's even better than Windows XP (which I have also beta tested).

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Originally posted by LegacyBoy
:sadwin:

Ok

WINME = Bastard child of WIN2000

nuf said!
LB
:killcompu
:killcompu

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Legacyboy:

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't say anything. Windows ME and Windows 2000 have almost nothing in common. They serve entirely different purposes.

:chuck: However thought of the way that the dos prompt is handled makes me want to PUKE :chuck:

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Originally posted by neel
win 95 is very fast and you can rebuild it totally

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It's also extremely outdated. I would recommend Windows 2000 instead.

ME is stellar for games and pics but nothing else.

The 'show thumbnails' concept is second only to the fact that ME treats zip files as almost normal directories. That is really cool considering how much time you save. I have had the BSOD only about a dozen times in the last ten months. That must be a world record!

format /s grrrrrr. how could they do that! those bastards!

for years I have debugged computers using boot disks and now suddenly they take the priveledge of doing it automatically away from me! #@$#%$

calm down...Ahh okay you still can make boot disks on a winME only system but they are crap. I suggest keeping that old 486DX that you have lying around in working order with 6.22 on it.

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winMe = why the hell did i buy this crap

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Good question. Save up and get yourself a bicycle or maybe a dvd player. Dont buy windows me.

Seems like everyone who has had any exeprience with WinMe has known it is a piece O' [insert swear word] for well over a year now.

WinMe = Win98SE with new dress, confusing similarity to Win2000 in menu navigation, and some bugs they had forgotten to put in Win98.

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Originally posted by ThePreacher


Good question. Save up and get yourself a bicycle or maybe a dvd player. Dont buy windows me.

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I ALREADY HAVE WINME AND I THINK IT IS MORE STABLE AND FASTER THAN WIN 98SE FOR EXAMPLE.

Ok, he asked for it...

1. Windows ME isn't stable AT ALL. I HATE THAT STUPID OS. I have had it crash more than 100 times since I've had it. Thank goodness I am soon getting Windows XP Home Edition upgrade for $100. I just can't take it anymore.

2. On your very first post ever, NEVER EVER disagree with someone.

One last thing...

The only thing I am thankful to ME for is the fact that it can upgrade to XP Home for $100 instead of me having to pay 200 for full home, or 300 for full professional

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Originally posted by porcupine_tree
I ALREADY HAVE WINME AND I THINK IT IS MORE STABLE AND FASTER THAN WIN 98SE FOR EXAMPLE.

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Windows ME is a piece of crap, it can't manage it's resources thus making it crash easier. Every experienced PC user who has used win 3.1 95/98 etc knows that ME is by far unstable. Win 98 would be a better option or better yet Win 2000.

I'll have to admit that I use ME and its really not all that bad. I found that it was unstable and couldn't be left on for more than a few days and it like to **** up after coming out of its power saving mode. But eh, after I killed explorer.exe in favor of using aston it really pered up. It runs smooth and quick. I havn't had any problems since then.
I'm looking forward to seeing XP and of course linux blows all Mcrocrap away.

:flip: Windows Xp is 20 times whorse!!! and dos is away 4 good.. :mad: i hope linux get's it support :flip:

Whats wrong with XP? its very stable, very quick....
I'd say the worst part about XP is that its too cutesy....

I don't want a cute OS.. I want a functional one...

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I ALREADY HAVE WINME AND I THINK IT IS MORE STABLE AND FASTER THAN WIN 98SE FOR EXAMPLE.
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You are one of the rare people who have gotten a stable ME system... you should feel honored.... but ME is without a doubt the worst OS that Microsoft has ever made..... except maybe for Xenix, but I can't prove that, I haven't seen it...

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2. On your very first post ever, NEVER EVER disagree with someone.
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That's bullshit Anirak.. to all newbies, feel free to disagree with someone on your first, second, hell every post... as long as your not doing it to be annoying, its quite ok to disagree with people.. this is a open forum....

If you have information contrary to what someone else is saying, post away.....

I've used Windows ME and I think it's the best of the 9x series. It's no way near perfect and the missing dos stuff is a let down but it's not really catered for people who want to fool around with their systems.

It bothers me sometimes to see all these people bag windows not because they are wrong, they are mostly right, but because they compare it to things like win2000 and linux. Let's face it, win9x is designed for the mass market - for people who just want to use a pc and not have anything to do with how it works.

I agree it's not a great OS but it does the job. If you want something more then you probably wouldn't even look at the win9x.

My humble opinion the thing is, if you don't do any stunts with windows you won't need to mess with DOS or to boot from a disk.

I tried to substitute windows for Linux, I couldn't I kept running against numerous problems I just could not solve.

Until a Linux based OS comes that is as usable as windows and that does not require the *nix knowlige that Linux does no entreprise here in Portugal will ever even considere using it.

Imagine explaining a secretary that if this or that happends she will have to log out, go in as root and the rd and edit and use vi and... etc. etc. and also targz this and that to install her wonderfull aplications, nope, it wont work.

Windows 2000 is ok I guess although its heavy as my ex-girl friend and it makes a lot of rumbling and takes a long time to boot and start up. It also needs some 200Mb of service packs once in a while, but then, is that not to make it safe, as the kernell patches for linux are?

I installed IE 6.0 and had to reinstall Windows2000, I can't imagine what went wrong but something did, big time.

Windos 98 SE, it's ok. It crashes once in a while, you have to firewall it to go to IRC and thats it, I think it's ok.

Thanks for reading,

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For all of you XP lovers out there check out the Halloween docs at OpenSource.org
http://www.opensource.org/halloween/

imho XP is enabled with .NET and C# which are a new initiative by M$ to force an internet protocol that Linux can not legally compete with. Linux kicks much ass where the current protocols are concerned and that scares the hell out of our Redmond geeks.