Fuck The System

The internet hacking laws are getting out of hand. All these damn big corporations with shitty programmers are complaining because "hackers" are hacking their way into their shitty programming and exploiting them.

Not only are the big shitty corporations dictating what laws should be created for these murderers aka "hackers" but the government dispite what technology officials are recommending, are creating laws out of their ass.

**** THE SYSTEM, THEY DONT LISTEN TO PEOPLE'S OPINION SO WHEN SOMEONE HACKS INTO THEIR SITE TO SPEAK THEY MAKE A NEW LAW TO PROSECUTE THEM. **** THAT!

You've been listening to Rage Against The Machine a lot, haven't you?

Yes I have but personal prosecution recently is behind that post.

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Originally posted by explotion
WHEN SOMEONE HACKS INTO THEIR SITE TO SPEAK THEY MAKE A NEW LAW TO PROSECUTE THEM. **** THAT!

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Ok, here is why they made the stupid law. Instead of creating your own website to speak your mind you went and hacked someone else's, be it a personal or corporate page. I have to agree some of the laws are starting to get kind of extreme, but if the only thing you want to do is deface websites and steal credit card numbers, then these silly laws will be put into effect over and over. They have to put warnings on products like "don't ride bicycle into middle of interstate at night" because some dumbass somewhere did this, got hurt, and sued the company that made the bike (he was even on TV, LOL)

Haven't you heard the phrase, one bad apple spoils the barrel. They don't make laws for the heck of it (besides voting themselves a payraise) so if you really hate the system so much, then find ways to change it. One person can make a difference if they have an army of supporters behind them.

Alrighty, enough of my blah :p

Your absolutely right. I have in fact created my own site where not only I can post what I think but let anyone else in the world post too.

I went a little overboard as I often do at first.

I didnt necessarily hack into the site but just bent the rules of a form. On the site they had a select box where you could choose your favorite song off of their new album. Since my favorite song from them was cut from the final release of the album, I made my own form which sent data to their poll. I didnt think it would work because it seem like the DB query should be an update rather than insert but I guess not. So as soon as I added my fav song, I guess a bunch of other people realized this hole and began typing a bunch of stupid crap. Now it doesn't exist.
If they would of have a email link or a post a bug section I would have told them about it before it got out of hand.

I feel its wrong that people took advantage of this hole but I dont think it is harmfull to bend the rules a little.

They treat internet crimes like they are all the same. I could get the same fine and imprisonment if I steal millions of dollars of research and information then if I deface or disrupt a website. (Kevin Mitnick 4years<>KUSEPREFF 5years)

Now this may all be bullshit but they should realize that the internet is not TV, its still a newborn technology and they should make laws accordingly.

**** The System is harsh.

I was once an Anarchist, Nihilist, damn I was once a Communist.

Laws are laws but laws were meant to be broken. You must look at it from their point of view, DoS attacks that kind of ****.Virus too, remember hackers will always have a bad name. Its sad but true.

Simply dont add to this with anger but remain ethical, the more people that do this the less of a bad name we will have.

There is no point telling people hackers are not crackers it wont work.

Like all true great revolutionaries and artists we will be repressed until our work is aknowledged and we reign free.

Yes.

Everyone is just a forever spiraling thought of chaos.

We are a sprawiling mass of confusion embedded in the dirt of earthly movemnets, destined ultimitely for nothing.

Pessimistic values.

Personnaly I don't believe that chaos exists.

Wow Ennis. I think thats a bit of a downer.

I am simply a realist. Anyway the way I look at life is **** it, just soldier on and youll be ok.

hmm, who knew that a internet law discussion would go to a philosophy discussion.

Im with Ennis. Why spend your life figuring out whats right because your probably wrong, so **** it.

Do what you want and say what you said. Thats all I believe.
(Of course you might have to do divient actions to obtain this, for example: goto work to earn money)

I think we are here to figure it out. I don't believe anything is right or wrong. Our whole pupose is to decide it for ourselves, and hopefully it makes you happy.If not, oh well.It is what it is and all you can ever do is what you can do.

no comment

Being an atheist I cant see what purpose we have, who could give you a prurpose in llife. Yourself? Yet half us are eternally undecided.

How did we get talking about this again?

All I ever here is bitching. I live in the DC area and I've talked to Congressional aides and that sort. They've said that they only opinion/message that they've ever gotten from the so-called "hacker" community is from all the kids griping about Napster and couldn't put two complete sentences together, let alone not use "****" ten times.



"Oh, I broke the rules, but those other people broke it more and now we're all screwed. Waaa..." I don't feel sorry for you. Of course they're going to try to apply the same standards to everyone for committing the same crime. It wouldn't be Justice otherwise.



Yes, the laws are going overboard. Yes, they don't make a distinction between stealing millions and defacing a site. The way to fight it is not bitching about the system, it's to take an active part. Stand up or shut up.



JP, are you looking for columnists? I'm interested in helping.

Hey now, if you don't want to hear bitching anymore then stop bitching yourself.

Stand up? I think thats what Im doing by posting what I think. How else would you like me to stand up? Ive written letters, I made a website, I post my opinion on every site.
Stand up? pah! DC can't even vote.

Most of "Fudging" Congressional aides and that sort, are "Fudging" old computer illiterates anyway. They make no distinction between basic computer morons using Napster and the "Fudging" experts programming webservers making them millions of dollars but in their free time enjoy testing the internet's "Fudging" limits.

Sorry only 4 times, I guess im not a hacker.

Well when you come to a forum for security gurus and hackers and a post is made about laws against hackers then people are gonna bitch.

Pinky, you want to be a columnist? Aren't columnist supposed to write decent English? My English ain't perfect, but I'm not asking to become a columnist... I'm not talking about typos here: as a columnist you'll have people to correct them. I definitely would not like to be that guy... And I definitely would not like to be the guy who has to rephrase your mambo-jambo, but I'll give it a try. Only because I love it...

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All I ever here is bitching.

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Hear, that is, not here. I'm still with you though.

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They've said that they only opinion/message that they've ever gotten from the so-called "hacker" community is from all the kids griping about Napster and couldn't put two complete sentences together, let alone not use "****" ten times.

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I'll forgive you the 'they' typo. But what's this: 'THEY've said... that THEY..' You're not supposed to do that. One THEY is enough. Be creative, use another word.
And this: '...couldn't put two complete sentences together, let alone NOT use...?' I may be missing your point here, but this doesn't make any sense.

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"Oh, I broke the rules, but those other people broke it more and now we're all screwed. Waaa..."

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Guess this is not you speaking, but 'the rules' is plural and 'it' is singular.

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Yes, the laws are going overboard. Yes, they don't make a distinction between stealing millions and defacing a site.

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Hey look, there's THEY again...

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The way to fight it is not bitching about the system, it's to take an active part. Stand up or shut up.

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'The way to fight IT?' To fight WHAT??? The system? Doesn't make a point, because you say 'it's to take an active part'. That would be 'an active part in the system' then, and I suppose that's not what you meant...

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JP, are you looking for columnists? I'm interested in helping.

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Damn, I hate to bitch, but you shouldn't have put that line in your post... Actually, I don't hate to bitch, I love it...

You guys were beginning to sound like confucious there for a second!! hehe The fact remains that Those ppl out there who use their skills for causing harm to the systems that they invade, are making it increasingly more dangerous for thise of us who strive only to seek knowledge. Hopefully even with the new laws that are bound to be passed, by a paranoid government will affect "Hackers", on a case by case basis. Just follow two simple rules.

1. Dont brag about your "conquests", whether it be in this forum or even during an IRC chat session, spy bots can be placed within so called "secret" irc channels.

2.Dont rip ppl off ie. credit information, destroy, or change any information within a system.

Old rules I know, but ones all pll with interest in gaining knowledge should follow.

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Yes those are good rules to follow Galdron.

I didnt mean to brag in that earlier post I was just using it ambigously as a example.

Did you know that a Dan Verton from computer world magazine intervied me because of that post? He is writing a book for McGraw Hill about how individuals get into hacking. I told him basically how I got into computers and pretty much the general hacker's oath.

The rules or ethics of hacking are basic morals anyway just on a new level, no longer confined o real life but carried into the internet world.

Explotion the dont brag comment was not directed at you, I was making a general statement. Look we all like to take credit for some of our sucessful, projects, I am included in this. what I meant was, dont be too specific with people you dont know, the could be out looking to bust you. lol As I once found out, when my big, and drunk at the time mouth, got me in deep doodoo, with the very people I had been researching at the time. Unfortunately their domain name included Navy.nrl. hehehe Now Galdron is super paranoid.

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