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Heres a link to a very interesting, yet disturbing, article on Newsforge...
As a foreign citizen living in the USA, I think its horrible that the government is using "anti terrorism" as an excuse to deny the human rights of non-americans.. what ever happened to the "land of opportunity"?
Heres another on CNN
And a link on C-SPAN with links to more information on the House and Senate versions of the Anti-Terrorism bill.
Darkmo0n
Welcome to paranoia :(
The government is rapidly hacking away at the rights of its citizens too. If you want to live here, you will have to get used to it. I know it's disturbing, but as long as America's paranoid, you will have no rights whatsoever. Neither will we.
Hopefully the Supreme Court fights for the rights of the country’s citizens and visitors if congress tries to squash too many of them. Moving to Canada is not an option.
I've said it before and I'll say it again......
ONLY THE PARANOID SURVIVE!
I'd rather die free than live under a paranoid government. Remember Russia under Stalin? Do you know where Stalin's paranoia got millions of Russian citizens? How about the McCarthy era?Quote:
Originally posted by Conf1rm3d_K1ll
I've said it before and I'll say it again......
ONLY THE PARANOID SURVIVE!
You missed my point, stflook.
I meant that WE have to become paranoid to survive. The Government is already paranoid but WE must become even more paranoid than THEY. Things like sending encrypted email, spoofing your IP etc etc etc....
PLEASE don't make me out to be a supporter of the Governments anti privacy laws again!:confused:
I'm sorry. Didn't realize that was what you meant. But you have to admit, the way you said it combined with what the post is, it COULD be taken that way.
Gone are the days of revolution......
Hmm Stalin ... Bush ... they are all the same. Western democracy is crap.They all go around preaching about human rights and you get places like Afghanistan and Iraq sad ...
Hope I didn’t offend anyone and if did well whatever happened to freedom of speech.
peace...
that's what's so great about the us. WE CAN CHANGE THE LAWS!!!!!!! ...to make a more perfect union. sure the laws might or are already in affect, but guess what, we chan change them!
-havanger
Yes, we can. Unfortunately, we don't. America is so overwhelmed with a sense of political-correctness that it seems that nobody is allowed to think what they want anymore. Everybody at my high school knows that I'm a gun person, a computer person, and that I don't agree with most of the administrative decisions that go on in the school. Thus, I have been labeled a psychopath, an "evil" hacker, and at risk to shoot up the school. I did not ask for these labels. I got them just for having dissenting views. As long as this type of braindead social attitude goes on, America will keep hacking at personal freedoms at an incredible rate. It's a real shame.
Change laws? doubtful..
Its near impossible for a law such as this one to be struck down. First of all, someone has to get arrested under this law, then have enough money/popular support to be able to go through all the levels of the US judicial system, appeal after appeal, which is highly unlikely..
and then, IF the supreme court wants to hear it, it can.. and even if it does, with such a conservative court and a strong precedent with the Korematsu case (which allowed japanese internment camps in the interest of national security during WW2) still in the books... your gonna have a tough battle ahead... especially now... if it happens later, after some of the paranoia has died down, it would probably be already too late, the damage would have been done..
and anyway, im not too sure if a non-us citizen is allowed to bring cases to the supreme court, or if their rights are guaranteed by any legal standard (like how the constitution guarantees rights of citizens).. if they arent, its gonna be even harder
the PC attitude that stflook mentioned it totally right... anyone that organizes large protests against the law would be immediately labeled terrorists, and would probably be arrested.. no politician would speak out against it, as they would be called "Un-American" and their political career would be pretty much screwed (the vote in the senate was 96-1 !!!, and it would be hard to combat Bush' 90%+ approval rate)
So in general, unless the ACLU and the author of the article were really exaggerating the implications of the bill (IANAL, i tried to start reading the text of the bill, but got lost in the language/referenes/whatnot), we're pretty much screwed...
Darkmo0n
Its time like this my quote becomes extremely fitting (see below) Peace. Digi
exactly..
the article couldve been just a result of the same paranoia we've been talking about in this thread... many times people start talking about something horrible that might happen, and then find out that they were seriously exaggerating..
i guess theres no other way to find out than just wait and see.. (unless you feel like going through pages and pages of legal crap, which i certainly dont)
Darkmo0n