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I ask this because we seem to be awash with abusive, obnoxious, and just overall annoying users. I don't want to sound like a jerk here, but where do we draw the line? Do we even bother to draw the line? Are we supposed to just let these people continue their rampages, or do we do something? CAN we do anything? If we decide to take action, how do we define an abusive user? Let me hear your opinions.
Hell yes, we need to kick off the *******s of AO.
there are way to many users that make fun of newbies. newbies shouldn't be attacked like i have seen so many times, we are just trying to learn
stflook,
I can see were you're coming from but there is noway that JP will ever go for it.And he shouldn't it's open form.....Enjoy the show and do unto others as they would do to you:rolleyes:
There are a shitload of *******s out there, but I believe everyone has a right to voice their opinion regardless of what they stand for or who they are......has anyone seen vaZe around lately?
Hmmmm. . . Click Me!
Why kick them off? Who would we make fun of then? Its hilarious that these ignorant deviants come on here and try to flame everyone and they just get it thrown right back at them only to drift away like those damn boy bands (thank god for that) Max Cavelera and Diamond Darrell RULE! Sorry guys...just had to plug some anti-MTV metal!!!!SKCUS VTM
We can't just get rid of the people we dislike or disapprove of. Thats what Hitler tried to do! People just need to lighten up a little.
Don't like what someone has to say than don't reply! Simple as that. Most people on AO are encouraging flamers by responding to flames and even antagonising them with threads such as "another lame post for you bad news".. In my opionon doing things like that are just "feeding the fire" so to speak...
Anyway, thats just my opinion....
you must fuel the fire...just MY opinion...
I agree with tripstone who else will tell these so and so where its at and just maybe they will listen I dont count on it but who knows.Besides we need a bit of comic relief and these preform that function.
Nope. He's probably as s0rcerer would say it, "in a small cell with a guy named spike".Quote:
Originally posted by Shmoo
......has anyone seen vaZe around lately?
the way i see it negatif wouldnt have anything to do cause all he does is flame all the script kiddies for the bad grammer etc!
I think we should kick off abusive users becue they annoy everybody and have nothing usefull to say.
Their threads are fun to watch when the flame wars start.:D
BTW what ever happened to Negative, haven't heard much from him lately
yeh i know it has been a while
hasnt been on icq for a while either??mabey his dead??
or in jail???:D
Can you give us an example of an abusive user stflook or who you would like to see go.
Remember Stalin's purges....?
:idea: Whats wrong with the Ignore List?
that's one way individuals can choose not to see or follow those trolls who are begging to be flamed. :firedevil
J.
Man alive, i leave for 2 days and look what happens!!! everyone is talking about kicking 3v3ry 1 else off!!! WTF! we must learn to ignore such users. and we also need more than one look on stuff. we can't have a narrow, single minded view, it limits out abilities.
-havanger
alright in my last post i did not mean to sound like god. i just stated the fact that i leave for 2 days and everything (well not everything, but a lot) has changed.
-havanger
I've been waiting for a thread like this to start:
stflook - I completely agree with you... I think their is alot of people who abuse the forums. I think some people have forgotten that these forum were for Security Discussion. I know there alot of different views on this subject...so I will to address my opinions on them.
#1 - I think alot of people have forgotten that these forums are for security discussion. I admit that a little comic relief and maybe a little offbase discussion is needed. But it should be done so in moderation. I know there are people who would argue that their is a "AO General Chit Chat" forum for "general chit chat", but I believe that alot of people have taken "general chit chat" to the extremes (perhaps everyone has seen Herberis' Threads About MS Mittens)
Solution: I believe that the threads & posts in the "General Chit Chat" should not be displayed on the main page... Why: Because the useless posts make it hard to seperate from the useful and legitimate posts. Let the "General Chit Chat" Forum be used as the "Rant & Rave" Forum.
They should be kicked off, because they do not contribute intelligent arguments and post useless garbage! (I'm not going to comment on the -Who would we make fun of then? - because I think your ignorance is already reflected by your statement.Quote:
Why kick them off? Who would we make fun of then? Its hilarious that these ignorant deviants come on here and try to flame everyone and they just get it thrown right back at them only to drift away like those damn boy bands
I agree with you about the idea that responding to flamers only encourages more, but I also think that it is unfair for individuals to HAVE ignore someone. A person should use these forums for their purpose (security discussions) and uphold a respectable attitude. If everyone did so, their would be no "flames" and the need to ignore people would not be essential.Quote:
We can't just get rid of the people we dislike or disapprove of. Thats what Hitler tried to do! People just need to lighten up a little. Don't like what someone has to say than don't reply! Simple as that. Most people on AO are encouraging flamers by responding to flames and even antagonising them with threads such as "another lame post for you bad news".. In my opionon doing things like that are just "feeding the fire" so to speak...
I assume you mean Negative...although Negative may flame... he has also contributed alot of useful information and has made some very intelligent arguments... which is more than I can say for some members. I think you should get your facts straight!!Quote:
the way i see it negatif wouldnt have anything to do cause all he does is flame all the script kiddies for the bad grammer etc!
Again I say...why must we HAVE to ignore users...Please don't attribute narrow, one track thinking in regards to my thoughts on the recent ignorant, ridiculous & useless posts that I have seen lately.Quote:
WTF! we must learn to ignore such users. and we also need more than one look on stuff. we can't have a narrow, single minded view, it limits out abilities.
Yes, stflook...I think the abusive users should be delt with...I think a good start (as stated above) would be to have the "General Chit Chat" removed from the front page. I think that would provide a place for individuals to rant & rave, and also allow for more intelligent discussion peak through...
(I will elaborate more on this later, I have a paper to write for a class :) )
First off, I never stated my opinion here. You just assumed I wanted to see them kicked. You were right though. I do think we should kick the worst of them, like Bad News, and Seb-G. Yes, I remember Stalin's purges, but we're just deleting people's accounts, not killing them.Quote:
Originally posted by Ennis
Can you give us an example of an abusive user stflook or who you would like to see go.
Remember Stalin's purges....?
:rolleyes: Interesting.. Yes....
Am I in the inclusion list or something??
What do you mean by that? Are you asking if you're considered an abusive user? I don't think you are.Quote:
Originally posted by evilseed
:rolleyes: Interesting.. Yes....
Am I in the inclusion list or something??
I guess that thats a good thing though because it REALLY winds them up... which is amusing for the rest of us.Quote:
Originally posted by RiOtEr
the way i see it negatif wouldnt have anything to do cause all he does is flame all the script kiddies for the bad grammer etc!
:)
I belive I saw Negative's name mentioned here. *note* to newbies. Negative knows what he's talking about. And yes if you post a moronic question like "how do I hack hotmail" then he and everybody else has every right in the world to flame your lame question asking ass. Not to mention if you ask "how do I hack hotmail" with bad grammar.....then damnit you flat out deserve everthing you get.
Need I mention the 1st. ammendment?
Also notice that many of the people that flame you are longtime AO users and knowlegeable people in this industry. If you can't handle a little (or a lot) of critisism then, well, **** off.
-Quad
I am not for sure of the abuse that the newbies are going thru on this site because I am a newbie myself at least I am to this site but if someone is being abusive to me I would not take it into my own hands I would go to the web site master and talk to them about it.
-White Hacker :cool:
Yes, please do. Explain how the first ammendment applies here, in this privately owned space.Quote:
Need I mention the 1st. ammendment?
I agree with the defenses of Negative (by NoNeckJoe, Simon Templer, others...). He only flames the truly deserving (read: those who ask for it). He contributes valuable information, and ideas. That he should even be mentioned in a post about abusive users is ridiculous. If you hold such a "negative" opinion of Negative, please reconsider.
I don't believe the poll is asking about users such as Negative, but about users who have demonstrated neither a desire to share nor a desire to learn, while being very disruptive of others.
It is far easier simply to ignore these posts. This ends in the quickest results with the least amount of effort. If one actively attempts to silence such abusers, it becomes a challenge to them, and their behavior increases. I recognize that this is not possible or desirable for everyone.
It's not hard to sign up for an account here. If you get you're account terminated you can sign back up. And there will always be new *******s coming in. As much as I'd like to see some people gone it would only give us maybe a week or two of peace. Maybe people like Bads News could be put up for a vote. If they have a lot of negative antipoints and we vote against them they should get a lot of priveleges and the ability to post taken away from them.
Without our friends the abusive poster, also known as posterius abusivos , if we weren't answering newbies's questions, or each other's questions, we would have no one to critique, no one to denounce, no one to tell them the true side of one's story, or anyone to set straight in the ways of AO's acceptable behavior as far as posts and opinions are concerned.
:fart:
I mean by this that we have no right to kick anybody, I know these abusive users simply waste time and they are hard to ignore.Quote:
Originally posted by stflook
First off, I never stated my opinion here. You just assumed I wanted to see them kicked. You were right though. I do think we should kick the worst of them, like Bad News, and Seb-G. Yes, I remember Stalin's purges, but we're just deleting people's accounts, not killing them.
Luckily there are a lot of people I respect here like yourself stflook that remind me that these are just wasters.
That is all they are, let them be and just laugh, then get on with the real sh*t.
What's with all of this talk about kicking people off of the AO forums?
Who is going to decide who gets kicked off and who stays?
We've already had one example where Negative was selected by one person as someone who should be kicked off and by another as someone who should stay.
Who is to say which one of them is right?
This whole forum is becomming snobbish and elietist.
I've been on this forum just about from it's conception (does that make me better than you?), and it was a lot smaller in those days with a lot less contributors.
I thought that the more popular this place became the better it would be as more people would be able to share the knowedge.
But it's just becoming one big slagging match.
If you don't like what someone is posting then don't ****ing read it. It's only a dumb internet forum, it's not as if these people know who you are in real life. Don't take it so personal.
I'm still drunk and now I'm off for a Bob Marley special, I need to chill out a bit. :smokes:
Honesty prevails in time of drunkness.Quote:
Originally posted by xraystan
What's with all of this talk about kicking people off of the AO forums?
Who is going to decide who gets kicked off and who stays?
We've already had one example where Negative was selected by one person as someone who should be kicked off and by another as someone who should stay.
Who is to say which one of them is right?
This whole forum is becomming snobbish and elietist.
I've been on this just about from it's conception (does that make me better than you?), and it was a lot smaller in those days with a lot less contributors.
I thought that the more popular this place became the better it would be as more people would be able to share the knowedge.
But it's just becoming one big slagging match.
If you don't like what someone is posting then don't ****ing read it. It's only a dumb internet forum, it's not as if these people know who you are in real life. Don't take it so personal.
I'm still drunk and now I'm off for a Bob Marley special, I need to chill out a bit. :smokes:
I didn't mean that Negative was an abusive user. I just stated that the users that usually ask stupid questions like "How do I hack hotmail", or question like that usually will get flamed by Negative and all the other longtime members. I just haven't seen any of his post recently so I was wondering where he was.Quote:
Originally posted by xstonedogx
I agree with the defenses of Negative (by NoNeckJoe, Simon Templer, others...). He only flames the truly deserving (read: those who ask for it). He contributes valuable information, and ideas. That he should even be mentioned in a post about abusive users is ridiculous. If you hold such a "negative" opinion of Negative, please reconsider.
I don't believe the poll is asking about users such as Negative, but about users who have demonstrated neither a desire to share nor a desire to learn, while being very disruptive of others.
Sorry if I sounded like I was naming him an abusive user, that was not my intentions.
Hello Everyone,
Just wanted to expand a little by commenting on a post.
I've given this some thought...and I've come to the conclusion that it would be a really big mess to determine punishment for abusive users. They exsist on every forum, and like another member pointed out, it's not hard to create a new account. And now in contrary to my first post on this subject, I think deactivating accounts is a little extreme.Quote:
What's with all of this talk about kicking people off of the AO forums?
Who is going to decide who gets kicked off and who stays?
We've already had one example where Negative was selected by one person as someone who should be kicked off and by another as someone who should stay.
Who is to say which one of them is right?
But that doesn't mean that a wrong deed should go unpunished and that certainly doesn't mean we can't create ways to alleviate the amount of abusive posts. As I've said in an earlier post, remove the General Chit Chat from being displayed on the main page, and use it as a "rant & rave" forum.
I've numbered this argument so I can address each part.Quote:
1) This whole forum is becomming snobbish and elietist.
I've been on this just about from it's conception (does that make me better than you?), and it was a lot smaller in those days with a lot less contributors.
2)I thought that the more popular this place became the better it would be as more people would be able to share the knowedge.
But it's just becoming one big slagging match.
3)If you don't like what someone is posting then don't ****ing read it. It's only a dumb internet forum, it's not as if these people know who you are in real life. Don't take it so personal.
4)I'm still drunk and now I'm off for a Bob Marley special, I need to chill out a bit.
#1 - I must respectfully disagree with you...I haven't observed the "snobbish & elietest" attitudes that you speak of. I can only assume that you are referrring to stflook, myself, and maybe a few others who have driven this whole "kick abusive users off AO" thread. If that is the case, then I'd like to think I speak for the others who share my opinion when I say, that this is not self righteous raving. I have yet to observe any member who thought they were above the others. The sole purpose of this "remove the abusive users" campaign is to make AO forums a better place.
#2 - Again, I don't see your reasoning...I again assume that you are referring to this thread where alot of "heated & tense" discussion has been "stirring" that may seem like a "big slagging match". Overall, I think members have done a great job of sharing information. I've also been a visitor to AO for a long time (although, I recently become a member), and I think that there has been some really great meetings of the minds here. There have been alot of great tutorials contributed by members, as well as alot of thoughtful, and intelligent discussion. The purpose, I think, of this thread is to take action against those who have "clogged" the forums with absolutely useless posts, which make it hard for people who are trying to learn, to sort through the threads which have enticing and seemingly legitimate thread names, but contain off-subject or useless content. It is those "abusive" users" which I am battling against.
#3 - Please take a close a look at your statements: In #3 you say: "It's only a dumb internet forum" and "Don't take it so personal"; now look at statement #4 which says "I need to chill out a bit." I notice a contridiction. My question to you:
Why do you need to chill out? This is just a "dumb internet forum", right? Did you, perhaps, take it as personal, as we have with abusive users?
I think this all "boils down" into a "battle" between those who treat communication over the internet as real-interpersonal communication, and those who don't... But that is of course, just my opinion.