Script Kiddie/Black Hat/White Hat?

Hey, just a thought and kind of a question. How do you all think someone should progress in their learning. (in the field of computer security) What i mean is start as a script kiddie, which gives them a bit of knowledge about how things work etc..
Black hat, which would be harder to achieve, if you weren't a script kiddie first.
Or White hat?
But from most of the articles I have read, White hats are usually script kiddies turned black hat, then turned to white hat. So where do you think is a good starting point, if there is one.
Personally I think one could benifit from learning script kiddie tactics, because it would give you some knowledge of the system etc etc..
Or maybe not...lol :D

Post your thoughts

Why would you want to become a script kiddie, there is no way of becoming a hacker.

How about avoiding all this and becoming a security guru?

Just a thought/

I think wanna-be-crackors / script kiddiez should start with their own networks and machines, learn the rudimentry aspects of security from the comfort and safety of their own envioronment. When they can be 95% sure that their own set-up is secure, then they'll be a long way further towards being an asset and not a liability. Having some no brained punk using somebody elses script to break into some lamerz un-secured box proves nothing except how sad they are.
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Jamie.

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Originally posted by morfius
But from most of the articles I have read, White hats are usually script kiddies turned black hat, then turned to white hat. So where do you think is a good starting point, if there is one.
Personally I think one could benifit from learning script kiddie tactics, because it would give you some knowledge of the system etc etc..

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It seems to me that you have misunderstood something... You might want to check The Jargon Lexicon. Here are a couple of cuts from it:

Script kiddies: pl.n.
The lowest form of cracker; script kiddies do mischief with scripts and programs written
by others, often without understanding the exploit they are using. Used of people with limited technical expertise using easy-to-operate, pre-configured, and/or automated tools to conduct disruptive activities against networked systems.

black hat
A cracker, someone bent on breaking into the system you are protecting. Oppose the less comon `white hat' for an ally or friendly security specialist; the term `gray hat' is in occasional use for people with cracker skills operating within the law, e.g. in doing security evaluations.

-ZeroOne :cool:

Script Kiddie

White Hat

I dont think one should ever become a 'SK'. I think that many start out that way and I am sure many stay that way. It is few that read and study. They begin to see that they can learn something and actually make a difference. They will play around with what they have learned and begin to feel better about themselves. They will begin to understand that it is VERY wrong to harm other systems. All the Hacking traits and knowledge will begin to show up in them as they go about thier daily lives. They will respect technology more and even other people. They will never be stingy with thier new found knowledge yet, they will not just give it away. They can help others by guiding them to the right information. They can let the others know that it is wrong to harm others. Let them know that READING is a MUST. They might even tell the other "Learners" that BOOKS are a Hackers BEST FRIEND.

This is my just MY opinion. Let me know what you think. Thank you...

Alive to Learn,

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Originally posted by DISLEX
that BOOKS are a Hackers BEST FRIEND.

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Very true, but I would have assumed a hacker's best friend is his computer?

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Very true, but I would have assumed a hacker's best friend is his computer? -Ennis

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A well known hacker named Knightmare (may be spelled wrong) once wrote...

"It is sad to say but a hacker should probably not even own a computer."

Hmm...

While I would never give up living with a computer I still think that books are far better a learning tool. I mean they teach you how to actually USE the computer and WHAT is you are DOING. HOW it works. WHY it does or does NOT work. It tells you how you can make it WORK BETTER. It lets you know HOW OTHERS STOP you from WORKING and HOW to PREVENT it.

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"It is sad to say but a hacker should probably not even own a computer."

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I disagree. I believe you can learn more from playing around and trying stuff and screwing up your own computers than you can from reading a book.

Still, the value of books shouldn't be dismissed either.

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Originally posted by Rna


I disagree. I believe you can learn more from playing around and trying stuff and screwing up your own computers than you can from reading a book.

Still, the value of books shouldn't be dismissed either.

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This basically sum's up my opinion, you see you can read tutorials and books till you're eyes bleed but until you implement you're knowledge on an actual computer you are wasting you're time.

Books are invaluable but it is obscene to state that to a hacker, the book is more important than the computer.

I understand what you both are saying but I am not sure that I agree. I am not 100% for sure that books ARE a Hacker's best friend but I still feel more towards the books and other 'txt than I do the actuall computer. I think when you are trying to learn the art of Hacking and you already have a computer you can easly become a script kiddie. You will want to hurry and do things (Hacking in your eyes). You will download floods and Sub7 and other programs made by people that already understand computing and networking. If you learn before hand you may be saved from the "Scipt Kiddie Stage".

I hope this makes sence. Thank you all for your time and comments. :)

Learner,

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Originally posted by DISLEX
. I am not 100% for sure that books ARE a Hacker's best friend but I still feel more towards the books and other 'txt than I do the actuall computer.

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But surely anyone interested in computers is more interested in computers than books, it's commen sense.

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I think when you are trying to learn art of Hacking

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I am not into 'hacking, Im into security.

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and you already have a computer you can easly become a script kiddie.

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Just because you have a computer dosent make you a goddamn script kiddie surely, or else we are all script kiddies here?

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You will want to hurry and do things (Hacking in your eyes).

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NO.

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You will download floods and Sub7 and other programs made by people that already understand computing and networking.

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Or perhaps by using our computers we can learn about Computing and Networking. I have never downloaded Sub7, who would, children.

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If you learn before hand you may be saved from the "Scipt Kiddie Stage".

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Im sure my commen sense can save me from becoming a script kiddie.

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I hope this makes sence.

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No. It should however make sense.

I saw Knightmare's book. It was terribly general and had almost nothing worth while. It had a cute social eng. section but that was about it.

Hey great thoughts everyone! But I was just wondering what you guys think the stages are. What stages did you go through to get to the position you are in now etc etc?

Good posts: I am a book fiend, but without the actual implementation of the info gleened, it is basically just info.
With the recent passing of the anti-terrorist/internet terror laws it is a dangerous game being a skript-kiddie. One major mistake on your part and big bad bubba in the big house is waiting on you at the end of the day!!!!!!!!!!!
Practicing the art of security and breaking code and p/w's should be done in the confines of your own home. Set up your own network, have a trusted friend set some p/w's and ply your trade.
Over the last month or so I have leaned a great deal from this site, but actual troubles I have encountered has taught me more than the reading by a factor of ten.

:rolleyes: Don't be a script kiddie cause that's just lame and takes no skill at all. But check out www.NetworkPunk.com they got loads of kewl tools and word docs. And always read everything you can on hacking.;)

Wow, Ennis. :(
*Crys*

I never ment you should not have a computer.
I never ment that you should read before you ever touch a computer.
I *am* saying that right along with actually using a computer you should read.

Of course you learn from being in front of a computer and trying things. Maybe you will break something. Maybe you will crash your system. You might even makwe something work or work better. You are teaching yourself with the computer; a tool. Another tool that can help in all these areas... Yup, you guessed it! BOOKS! You crashed... Read why! Read how to get it back up and working. Read how to prevent it.

I think when not on a computer... ...Read about one!

I just wanted to try to clear that up a little bit. Everyone seems to be jumping on me. I hope you all still love me. :p *Hugs Ennis*

Learner,

Oh, its all cleared up now, of course I still love you, LOL!;)