Drop the SK flaming now

Okay this is my first post in this forum. :)

I havent been around for long, but ive read the last <30 day postings or so, and i find one thing being too commonly discussed here .. Script kiddies, and what not to in the to-be-hacker phase.. How about focusing a little about what TO do in the to-be-hacker phase.. Me, myself (and irene =P) am very interested in doing some reading, but it seems as it is too much to grasp when you look at the big picture.
So what to start reading, what books/texts/etc, in a chronological list would be HIGHLY appreciated. I could keep reading newbie texts until I'm old and grey, without ever being sure on when to move on.
I guess there always will be gaps in probably every area there is to know.. When i sit down with a book/text/etc i feel as though im missing knowledge to fully grasp the information, and similar with more newbie texts, I feel as though I've been reading it a thousand times before, and I'm not getting anywhere.

Using such a drastical subject i guess I will take heat for, but if this forum really is based on anti-immaturity, I hope you will see my point. When reading this post, try not to find things I've said wrong or any other things you could flame me for eh? :D

I hope I'll get some good informative reply's on this post..
Thanx in advance. ;)

Sure..

Start by visiting http://www.oreilly.com and make a list of the books that you are interested in. Get a library card or go buy them etc..

Next.. go to http://blacksun.box.sk/tutorials.html and read anything there that seems interesting to you.

Then.. go to http://www.securitywriters.org and read the stuff they have there.

While you are at it ... go to http://www.rfc-editor.org and read through these rfc's : 1340, 1208, 1108, 1175, 1166, 1118, 1011, 1009, 1072, 896, 879, 813, 793, 768, 1219, 1112, 1088, 950, 932, 922, 919, 886, 815, 814, 792, 791, 781, 1220, 1188, 1171, 1042, 1027, 903, 894, 877, 951, 906, 1101, 1035, 1034, 1033, 1032, 974, 920, 799, 1094, 1068, 959, 949, 783, 775, 1341, 1143, 1090, 974, 822, 821, 1267, 1247, 1222, 1195, 1164, 1163, 1136, 1074, 1058, 911, 904, 888, 827, 1125, 1124, 1102, 1205, 1198, 1184, 1091, 1080, 1079, 1073, 1013, 946, 861, 860, 859, 858, 854, 726, 1196, 1179, 1129, 1119, 1057, 1014, 954, 868, 886, 865, 864, 863, 862, 1271, 1253, 1243, 1231, 1230, 1214, 1212, 1156, 1155, 1147, 1088, 1002, 1001, 1240, 1244, 1115, 1114, 1113, 1108, 1207, 1206

They are in a logical order even if they don't look like it, I put them together by protocol/topic.

That should keep you busy reading for quite a while. If you are really ambitious add the `Hacking [ insert operating system here] exposed' series published by McGraw Hill.

1. Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions, Third Edition
by Stuart McClure, Joel Scambray, and George Kurtz ISBN: 0-07-219381-6

2. Hacking Linux Exposed by Brian Hatch , George Kurtz , and James Lee ISBN: 0-07-212773-2

3. Hacking Exposed Windows 2000 by Joel Scambray , and Stuart McClure ISBN: 0-07-219262-3

4. Hacker's Challenge by Mike Schiffman ISBN: 0-07-219384-0


If you actually read all of that you will be light years ahead of any script kiddie, lamer, or the thousands of clueless `me too' wannabe hackers in this world.

-- enjoy

If you want us to stop flaming skript kiddies you have to first stop the sk's from Ddos'ing and take sub7 and throw it away. A good book I am reading now is Hacking Exposed Linux. I am new to linux, but I want to learn everything I can. If you want to see my tutorial, inspired by badassatchu, on fake e-mail go to http://www.geocities.com/iluvaudio
This is the first page I wrote for my website which I hope to have up soon. I want to write a tutorial on the linux command line and basic commands every beginner should know.

I understand your post, but then again I think we answer a lot of questions and point out allmost daily what is and what is not right to ask.
Now I am not going to say either shape up or ship to another forum, but this is the way AO works.
I know places where they talk **** all day and flame anybody who asks just about any harmless question.

First I want to thank you for the seriousness of your replies. This is sooo unusual to me, guess I'm a bit prejudice in that area :p
Although psi0nic's post seemed somewhat sarcastic.. But im guessing his post will be responsible for keeping my nose in a book for the next 10 years :D

See I'm a close to average programmer (imho), and i used to be a linux freak (for like 3-4 years ago), but then now work "requires" me to use win as my main os.. I use it now and then but I feel I've lost the touch. But now I'm once again inspired to try and use linux for most my work and so. (Hmm. interestning, probably, eh? :p )

I've got the fundamental knowledge of networking and so, but i feel the need to advance.. so listen, psi0nic, could you maybe suggest some reading for say, the next three months, based on what I've written in this post?

I've got the desire for knowledge .. just dunno where to look :)
And please, no amazon.com + isbn numbers .. soon to be christmas and that means lack of $$$ for books..
Maybe next time eh? (in three months =)

Thanks in advance heh

Sarcastic??

..Well.. I guess I do have a rep, and can come off as being a sarcastic m0th3r *****?r. :D Anyway.. Read all of those RFC's. They are all you will ever need to look at really. Best of all, no ISBN #'s, no $$$, just point that browser to http://www.rfc-editor.org and read away my friend. Literally every protocol there has been since the early 70's has an RFC. Want to be a networking guru? It would cost you thousands in books to learn what you can get at http://www.rfc-editor.org.

Besides, where do you think the authors of all those great books look for the technical specifics so they don't look like an ass for guessing or trying to remember and having some 15 year old pimple faced geek point out all of their mistakes. . Thats right.... http://www.rfc-editor.org

I know this post seemed sarcastic, but I really do think you should go to http://www.rfc-editor.org and start your reading with the list I provided you.

+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ NOT A SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:

RFC is good!

Heh lol I'll be right on it ;)

Should I read em in the order you stated in your last post?
I hope its not too advanced, but I'll have a lookie :p

Why not, it will start you out with ip, tcp, tcp/ip, udp icmp roughly in that order and then ends with recommendations for site security. have fun :D

You will be Elite after reading/understanding all of that, then all you will need to do is FDISK your HDD and put a *n?x flavor on your puter for full geek cool points. Maybe a mysterious and confusing email header too.

See ya later.

Psi0nic, did you read all of this? All of what you suggested I'd read..

Yes, I have. I read them over again once in a while to try and gain more out of them. (RFC's, http://blacksun.box.sk, http://www.securitywriters.org, a stack o o'reilly books, and Hacking Linux Exposed. I have'nt read all of the Hacking [$STRING] Exposed books. ). It is a large project, take it in chunks, revisit the material once in a while for a refresher. It can be done, I did it and I am not above average or anything.

psi0nic, that was a sh*tload of numbers! Poor soul just got swamped with RFC's, hehe...

RFCs, being Request For Comment (I think), are the standards for just about everything that is computerized (networking, protocols, email, you name it) and if you know the RFC then any product/program that abides by that RFC, you know what you can do w/o regard to who made it. This is one reason why MS is such a pile of sh*t. Bastards won't even tell what the "unused" field for kerberos is being used for, as they have a "use" for it.
That's probably changed since it's been a while, however I have no respect for a company that tries to alter the RFC to their bidding. *****ers...

OReilly is one of the best places (as stated previously) to find books on just about everything. I personally recommend you buy the latest copy of "Unix in a nutshell" and "Linux in a nutshell". The UIAN book is one that every unix admin worth his/her shell will have. I've had three copies because I run the pages ragged!

Books, web pages mentioned previously, and for info on linux, go to www.linuxdocs.org for a veritable plethora of knowledge.

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Real men don't backup

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Haha, nobody cares if you can backup, they only care when you can restore...

yeah we flame alot of script kiddies, but we answer lots of questions to. all you have to do is ask the right questions and someone will answer it. but posting stuff like "how-do-i-hack-hotmail" and "look-at-me-i-can-hack" isn't going to impress us... it'll annoy us... that is why we flame. we aren't unjustified.

but yeah.... ask away and we will help.... the hacking exposed seriously is really good.... other then that... i would read the other stuff and if you need more look up stuff. or if u need specific texts, let me know.... i have a small archive