Even Microsoft Doesn't Use Windows?

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December 13th, 2001, 08:04 PM
Remote_Access_

Even Microsoft Doesn't Use Windows?

This is an interesting article. It was taken from Here

Microsoft's competitor Oracle has claimed that the software giant doesn't even use Windows servers to host their own web sites.
"Microsoft doesn't even use NT on their own Web site. They use Unix. It's rather ironic," said Oracle's senior vice president and chief marketing officer. Oracle has recently begun a marketing campaign promoting their own servers as "unbreakable."
Microsoft angrily denied Oracle's accusation as untrue, saying that they have only one website which don't use Windows 2000 and Windows.Net Server - the Hotmail free email service, which is being transitioned over to Microsoft software

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December 13th, 2001, 08:29 PM
Shmoo

I did several scans of www.Microsoft.com and all of them said that the server was 'Microsoft-IIS/5.0'.
December 13th, 2001, 08:35 PM
Remote_Access_

:More info:

More info here
December 13th, 2001, 08:41 PM
larryjs

All MS web servers ARE MS based(hotmail included).HOWEVER the employee data base is oracle running on sco unix. I guess they figured that employee's will be to familar with MS and they want to discourage fraud
December 13th, 2001, 08:44 PM
shkuey

Quote:

Originally posted by larryjs
All MS web servers ARE MS based(hotmail included).HOWEVER the employee data base is oracle running on sco unix. I guess they figured that employee's will be to familar with MS and they want to discourage fraud

Hotmail is hosted on unix, because, as far as I know, microsoft has yet to migrate it since it's purchase three or four years ago.
December 13th, 2001, 08:47 PM
souleman

Oracle

Oracle likes to talk crap about other companies. They talk about how IBM used oracle when they were doing some test program instead of DB2. IBM said a head of time that the reason they were using Oracle was that it had the greatest market share, and they wanted to have benchmarks that would compare to the most endusers.

From what I have seen, Microsoft is using all MS products. This is quite unfortunate though. Hotmail was decent back when it was run on FreeBSD servers, but since Microsoft took over.....

What probably happened was that oracle found out about one or two servers that Microsoft is running for testing or something. Then they publish this to everyoe.
December 13th, 2001, 08:52 PM
larryjs

Quote:

Originally posted by shkuey

Hotmail is hosted on unix, because, as far as I know, microsoft has yet to migrate it since it's purchase three or four years ago.

Are you sure ?I was told it has been migrated already
December 13th, 2001, 09:16 PM
petemcevoy

Not according to the register - http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/23348.html
December 13th, 2001, 09:21 PM
larryjs

"A check with Netcraft shows that Hotmail's front edge servers do indeed run Windows 2000, so Microsoft can faithfully claim that the "web site runs Windows",
as it did yesterday. But the infrastructure is still stored on BSD kit. How much we're not sure, but when we receive hard numbers, we'll tell you. "

I guess this is why I told it has been migrated
December 13th, 2001, 09:41 PM
chsh

Well gee, let's just look and see:

[chsh@comp chsh]$ webid www.microsoft.com
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
[chsh@comp chsh]$ webid www.hotmail.com
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
[chsh@comp chsh]$ webid www.passport.com
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
[chsh@comp chsh]$ webid www.msn.com
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
[chsh@comp chsh]$ webid lc1.law5.hotmail.passport.com
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0

Webid contains:

Code:

#!/bin/sh echo -e "GET / HTTP/1.0\n\n" | nc $1 80 | grep "Server: "

lc1.law5.hotmail.passport.com is where hotmail.com forwards me to (maybe not everyone).

At any rate, the webservers say they're IIS 5.

Nmap's -O option failed on www.microsoft.com. A manual fingerprinting attempt provided results that would suggest they are blackholing any and all unwanted connection attempts.

Hotmail has been, to my knowledge, almost completely converted to Win2k (I'm talking about the web interface stuff itself -- large portions of the remaining infrastructure are sitting on FreeBSD still).

Microsoft could be just forging Apache headers on hotmail, but I doubt they'd go to the trouble, especially when it's public knowledge that they haven't been successful in migrating from FreeBSD.
December 13th, 2001, 09:51 PM
plague-iv

BSD

Microsoft do indeed run IIS 5 on all of thier web sites, the backend of hotmail however is Free BSD (or open?), not only this Microsoft get an outside company (the name of ehioch escapes me) to host all of thier DNS machines and these run Unix (Linux I think). So, it's quite obvious that inspight of Redmonds claims they still try to sell a second rate OS that even they can't use properly!
December 13th, 2001, 10:02 PM
[WebCarnage]

Microsoft

*Now scanning server at 207.46.230.220 on port 80...
*Informations on domain "www.microsoft.com":
---Server software: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
---Sever time: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:53:02 GMT

*GET "/backstage/_index_defaultpage.htm"...
*GET "/default.htm"...
*GET "/misc/data/idc.htm"...

...so on and so fourth...the website is huge...I'm not going to post up everything. But as you can see....Http://www.microsoft.com is running on Microsoft-IIS/5.0 ...

And besides..Oracle talks trash all the time. Well...not necissarily trash, but talk is cheap were there from lets say. I'll end it with that.
December 13th, 2001, 10:08 PM
chsh

Quote:

Originally posted by [WebCarnage]...
*Now scanning server at 207.46.230.220 on port 80...
*Informations on domain "www.microsoft.com":
---Server software: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
---Sever time: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:53:02 GMT

*GET "/backstage/_index_defaultpage.htm"...
*GET "/default.htm"...
*GET "/misc/data/idc.htm"...

...so on and so fourth...the website is huge...I'm not going to post up everything. But as you can see....Http://www.microsoft.com is running on Microsoft-IIS/5.0 ...

And besides..Oracle talks trash all the time. Well...not necissarily trash, but talk is cheap were there from lets say. I'll end it with that.

Ahh yes, as if the server header is proof of something. Try that on Google.com. You know, you can (given that you're able to edit the source) modify an Apache header to reply with Microsoft-IIS/5.0...

At any rate, I highly doubt that's what they've done, just don't consider the Server: header to be the be-all and end-all of webserver OS Fingerprinting....
December 13th, 2001, 10:14 PM
[WebCarnage]

IntelliTamper

No Google involved. Just goto: IntelliTamper's Website and pick up the latest copy of IntelliTamper.

- Exerpt taken from http://www.intellitamper.com/infos.php -

Quote:

Tired of closing and jumping between multiple popup windows, thousands of stupid links on a single page, sites without real content and only ads, etc... ? IntelliTamper is a small and easy-to-use program which will tell you what is really behind any Web site.

Just type in the address, let the IntelliTamper spider works and read the pages for you, and you will be able to access the files and browse the folders like if they were on your own hard-disk !

IntelliTamper is also able to scan a website for unlisted files and folders with a dictionnary based scan. Results are displayed in real time in the window with various informations on progression. Files and folders found are displayed in a friendly mini Windows-Explorer. You can then open links found on pages in your browser, send emails to addresses found on pages, open distant files and save them to your harddisk.

After downloading (I have Version 2.07) a version for yourself. Punch in www.microsoft.com - and in the first two boxes (the top two) just read what it says. I just copied some of the stuff I got. Nothing big.

Lates.
December 17th, 2001, 07:55 AM
Tenaga

Actually, even if Microsoft doesn't use Windows to run their systems I would understand why. It's just like the airlines industry, the CEO wouldn't dare fly on one of his/her commercial planes. They would rather go on their fancy jets, a.k.a. Unix.
December 30th, 2001, 03:47 AM
phuckintwizted

hotmail test server http://hotmail.com. is also runnin IIS5