This time M$ has gone too far

I stumbled upon the following on Macrumors that I have to share, this makes my blood boil.

"It's final, Universal is going to release CDs that can only be played on some newer stereo systems and Windows-based PCs. There is no support for Macs, DVD Players, and some CD players. Microsoft must have paid them big bucks for this, (although Windows users won't be able to rip eather, just play). See the SiliconValley.com article. Time for Apple users to unite and lead a boycott, remember, as always, We Shall Provail."

You can read more here http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/ne...t/cd121701.htm

hmmm well they did it again..

just like what they did when they came up with M$ Office.. which was a "need" for every businesses but can ONLY be run in MS Windows O/S.. atleast now MS Office can also be run in Macintosh computers.. but thats not enough..

hopefully the govt will stick their noses in and do something about this.. Mr. Gates is "again" breaking the anti-trust law... and this time its in BIG BOLD LETTERS...

Well M$ launched Windows XP even when they had trouble, so either somebody in the gov. that is not on a M$ payroll does something or yet more ppl. will hesitate to take a step towards alternative OS's.

I don't think MS has gone to far at all. If a company wishes to put out a new line of products (new CD's) and MS buys the rights to have it played on their PC's, then what is wrong with that? It is a simple business deal. Think about it. :)

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Originally posted by uraloony
I don't think MS has gone to far at all. If a company wishes to put out a new line of products (new CD's) and MS buys the rights to have it played on their PC's, then what is wrong with that? It is a simple business deal. Think about it. :)

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Simple business deal? oh really?
if you where a Mac user and you just bought that Universal CD, regardless if you wanted to rip it or just listen to it, wouldn't you be just a little bit upset if you couldn't play it on your brand new Powerbook?

I'd bett as soon as I get my hands on one of those cd's
I can play and rip them with some linux tool...

All this protection of audio copyrights is a load of bull....

It is a (nearly) proven fact that filesharing uilities ar GOOD for the smaller bands and record lables..
They increase peoples knowlege about bands, making people hear what they like...
And then you buy smaller bands on cheaper cd's from local firms...

Filesharing protocols are the future..


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Sorry a bit drunk

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Originally posted by Focmaester
Simple business deal? oh really?
if you where a Mac user and you just bought that Universal CD, regardless if you wanted to rip it or just listen to it, wouldn't you be just a little bit upset if you couldn't play it on your brand new Powerbook?

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You have to be upset when you are at the store not at home: there is some label on the CD case that says something like this: "digital copyright protected. This CD can not be played on MAC, DVD and some older CD players" So if you purchase it with the intention to play it on a MAC that's not very smart...

Anyway it's still some kind of small discrimination when the title isn't available on another playable medium.

I think the whole idea is a bit silly. It is a business deal and I guess you're free to do what you want when you have that much power(maybe they shouldn't be), but not when it comes to entertainment. I could understand making certain software work with only certain OS's (not that I always agree, but I understand), because that only affects users of a certain OS which is the idea anyway, to get you to buy a cetain OS. Software and operating systems are related... But music and videos and stuff... these can be enjoyed by everyone, so why would anyone discriminate between who is and isn't allowed to be entertained by a product. That's elitist. Only owners of a certain brand/OS can use the CD? Any band with brains would say 'f*** you' to that idea. You'd get more fans releasing your cd on the internet, and probably more money too:p

Hehe, here I go again....probably gonna get flamed but its worth it. First, anti-trust is around only to keep people from monopolizing a particular industry. Having a certain product set out by a specific company does not fit the bill. Welcome to the world of business kiddies. If you don't like the idea.....tough ****. Next, not one word in the link specified anything about Microsoft (where the hell did you get that assumption?). What appears to be happening is the record industry can no longer afford people pirating music so they are comming up with new encryption methods that somehow effect dvd, playstation II, and Mac systems. I would blame it on the codecs but I haven't read about what they are exactly doing. From what I am reading....they are offering warnings and full refunds in case a moron does buy one and realizes he cannot play it on his mac. Just like a kid to assume things and throw it off as being an attempt to destroy the world. As far as it being in "black and white"..... those words sure are pretty aren't they?......try reading them

Cordially,

Sp1d3r

Sp1d3r-W0lf gave me this idea right when he said: Playstation II.

As you can see, this has all been happening, but just not with M$ until recently.
Example 1:

Billy just bought his X-Box to play. And since it's Christmas time he got Halo with it. :) Billy is happy.

Billy then see's his neighbor. ...But wait, he has a better game - Tony Hawks Pro Skater II ( :) ). Billy wants this game, so he asks if he can borrow it. Yet when he tries it on his X-Box it doesn't work, because the CD is for the GameCube instead.

Now...is this going against anti-trust laws? That the GameCube (lets say made Tony Hawk) made a game and said it should be only played on GameCubes and nothing else. If M$ wants to release a product solely for it's own OS thats fine. I find nothing bad about that, only that Apple isn' keeping up. :p

Wait till D3 comes out it's a new video format that is for DVD's you can't burn them, you can't use these dvd's on your current player and you won't be able to use them on the computer. You will have to buy a new dvd player to play these movies.The file encryption is so deep it won't even read on a computer. The only thing you get out of it is better quality movies!

D3 is supposed to come out in about a year. Electronic companys are already getting ready for this move. And so are movie companys. Hopefully it won't be a success.

Some things like this outrage me. I now have to buy other items just to play what I want. The crap with Microsoft is obvious they know what there doing, and they now it's not right but they'll keep on doing it.

The music industry will always have a big piracy problem.As long as there is Internet Radio, FTP servers, And any other type of media on the net. Piracy will always be there. I would have to agree with Sp1d3r-W0lf on what he said.

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Originally posted by [WebCarnage]
Sp1d3r-W0lf gave me this idea right when he said: Playstation II.

As you can see, this has all been happening, but just not with M$ until recently.
Example 1:

Billy just bought his X-Box to play. And since it's Christmas time he got Halo with it. :) Billy is happy.

Billy then see's his neighbor. ...But wait, he has a better game - Tony Hawks Pro Skater II ( :) ). Billy wants this game, so he asks if he can borrow it. Yet when he tries it on his X-Box it doesn't work, because the CD is for the GameCube instead.

Now...is this going against anti-trust laws? That the GameCube (lets say made Tony Hawk) made a game and said it should be only played on GameCubes and nothing else. If M$ wants to release a product solely for it's own OS thats fine. I find nothing bad about that, only that Apple isn' keeping up. :p

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What are you? a ****ing idiot? those are two videogame machines you are comparing. I am talking about the regular CD's you buy that have been running on every cd player or pc for the past 20 years.

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Originally posted by uraloony
I don't think MS has gone to far at all. If a company wishes to put out a new line of products (new CD's) and MS buys the rights to have it played on their PC's, then what is wrong with that? It is a simple business deal. Think about it. :)

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Who said anything about M$ buying the "rights".This was a decision made by Universal because they realise the vastness of the M$ customer base. No one is preventing them from releasing those same movies for ALL platforms at a later date.

I don't think it's the copyright protection that bothers me (well find a way around it and soon there will be plenty of ripers). It's the way that the redmond cowards, rather than try to write a decent piece of software are once again trying to use their financial might to push themselves to the top. I say to IBM, Dell, HP (& compaq) and all the others, lets not put up with this any more. Windows is slow, old and expensive. I think that M$ has even lost the user friendly argument now.

MS seems like they are always cutting a deal with someone to make a technology functional on their OS's only.

Games are another good example of this, although less visible. Often games are released to the MS platform first and then Mac and so on. Many game developers including the graphic artists use a Unix variant to actaully develop the game. Id Software is just one example of a company that releases binaries for there games for assorted Unix platforms. My hope is that this becomes a more common practice in the future.

As for these other technologies, trust in those with the skills to bring us a solution. RIAA and others in that industry may as well go away. Greed is a shollow act, and there will always be a group of individuals that are smarter than they are who make a circumvention device and publish it on the net.

I personaly just refuse to buy such technology. It is a small and meaningless act for these companies if I choose to do so, but if enough people did it, the message would be clear, not to mention expensive in terms of profit loss.

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Originially posted by: Forcmaester
What are you? a ****ing idiot? those are two videogame machines you are comparing. I am talking about the regular CD's you buy that have been running on every cd player or pc for the past 20 years

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Simply an analogy dear friend. If you don't like it, don't reply to it. I understand that your talking about 'regular CD's you buy that have been running on every cd player or pc for the past 20 years'. But obviously Universal is going to change all of that. Just like D3, a new type of DVD that won't be able to be burned or played on your DVD player that you own at home this very moment. Yet I doubt any of this will last. People will get fed up with buying a new DVD Player just for the enjoyment of a good movie. I'd (arguably) choose VHS if this was (no matter what) going to be the case.
Still, this has been done before with MS products. Look at Internet Explorer for one...then Windows itself for another. And how they were not compatible with Apple/*NIX - yet now are (obviously not the OS for *NIX). Just like UberC0der said, games are another good example of this. Usually games are released firstly to MS OS's then later shipped out to Macintosh/*NIX. :rolleyes:

What's the big deal? Re-record it.

Once the sound is freed from the bondage of the media and is flying through the air so that it can reach my ears .... what is there to stop other recording media from snagging it and recapturing it onto more conducive media????

Of course, the above presupposes that one has friends or access to the appropriate equipment ... or takes on a second job that grants such access ;)

Do I think MS is beyond stealing people's product, reverse-engineering it and incorporating it into the OS, or buying out businesses just to bury it amidst their owned "inventory"? No, that's proven already...

Do I think MS is beyond making deals with companies (money talks a lot) so that the company makes a product or capability that works ONLY on MS OSes? Not at all...

Do I think MS would make sure there was some hidden clause with said company that would keep them from making alternatives or the same product for other OSes for a specified amount of time to ensure everyone was forced to the bandwagon of MS? Hell no...

As for that article...I noticed something in it that's interesting:

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...burning the recording industry out of existence.

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Notice, nothing about the bands being recorded...it's the recording industry (aka the RIAA) that're *afraid* of being "burned out of the industry". Not surprising, since they're the ones that have been making ****ing fistfuls of money off of mainstream artists (and not so much goes to the band). **** them man...rise up, oh ye of the garage bands! Band together oh those of the undeground music regime! We shall fight onwa...oh, hehe....this is a security forum...

Moral of the story: this isn't new or surprising...but just watch. You remember how CSS was busted by a buncha guys over in Europe? That was with 7 lines of code... (not sure on the lines of code but it was small)

Like Perl's motto states: "There's always another way."

Ok, I need so stay away from the posts because I can really feel myself getting dumber everytime I bother to half ass read them. Ok, one....the article that everybody is refering to says NOTHING about Microsoft (the entire thing does not mention the company once). Has it ever occured to you that it has something to do with the encryption type the record companies have opted to go for...and don't you think that the Unix variety will come up with support for that type? Hmmm, so what if Microsoft happens to have support for the codecs they are wanting to run....just means they are more compatable and willing to help the record industry. How many of you bothered to read the actual link to that article before deciding to go off with this whole "down with the evil empire" idea? And as far as converting the format to one that is burnable? How is this possible if the files are read only in the first place? Now, that is a subject that would require actual thought now isn't it? Best of luck.

Cordially,

Sp1d3r

I'm sorry, but you arses are all wrong. Did you even read the article before posting? Or just type up google.com and search for "microsoft"? How STUPID are you? Have you not realized that, because (like it or not) Windows IS the most popular OS, that it would make very little sense for the CD's to be playable under an obscure Operating System, like MenuetOS, which can fit on a single 1.44 MB floppy?

Like the article said, video games and movies already have copy-protection on them. But did everyone b*tch at Microsoft for this? NO! Anyway, I'm not in any way standing up for Microsoft, but I am totally against ignorant people who don't know how to read.

It seems that Sp1d3r-W0lf is the only one that has realized that you are all so wrong. I commend you. The rest of you, go have kinky sex with Bill Gates. You know you secretly love him.

*sigh*
--PhirePhreak

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Originally posted by: Dawn C. Chmielewski
When Universal Music Group on Tuesday releases the soundtrack, ``Fast & Furious -- More Music,'' consumers won't be able to copy the music onto another CD or use their PCs to ``rip'' tracks in digital MP3 format. The copy-protection technology will also render the disc unplayable on Macintosh computers, DVD players and game consoles, such as Sony's PlayStation 2. It might not even play in some CD players.

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Hmmm, Universal seems to be cutting up with their security for CD's eh? Imagine the sales of black CD's, for they will dramatically drop with this new copy-protection technology. And Macintosh is up for it too I see - yet with this new technology not being able to be deployed on a Mac seems a be a bother. I'm sure somebody will find a way, but then again I'm srue Universal could have changed that so Macintosh could bite it's teeth into this.

Same thing with DVD copy-protection. As I recall, Phillips just came out with a new DVD burner this year. Obviously a bad investment if this copy-protection technology falls through with just about every CD (for I'm sure some won't have it for numerous reasons). Yet then Sony also made a bad investment making their new Playstation2 able to read DVD's. Then again (from what I'm aware of) the X-Box (a Microsoft product) also is able to read DVD's with a few adjustments to the X-Box (like buying a 'remote' I hear).

All in all...I honestly don't think this new technology will last through too long (I hope). But we'll have to wait and see,...maybe it will. Who knows?

If I hear a song, and then hum it to
myself, am I guilty of piracy for recording
it in my brain and playing it back
without paying royalties?
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