Piracy & Hackign Prevention Efforts Should Target Kids, Experts Say | News: New York Times
The front line of combating piracy and hacking is no longer in
colleges but in grade schools. Efforts dealing with illicit digital
goods such as software or movies must be targeted at youngsters, who
have ever increasing access to technology. "If you're willing to
bootleg music, you're willing to bootleg anything," said an educator.
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makes sense to me. it seems that its usually kids that have no problem messing around with other ppls computers. hopefully they can do something to at least make the kids think twice before pressing that button.
I don't totally agree with that, sure young kids do a lot of pirating. Here in Holland last week a huge organization at the university of twente (where HAL 2001 took place ) whas busted.
This is bullshit. What we need is to get to the source of the problem. Typical American thinking, just like their gun-policy: The problem is not the guns, but the kids that fire them. Yeah right!
Proactive, I'm not sure what your trying to say. I think that Kids often are the problem. We learn our values very early and when kids learn that they can steal online and no one tells them its wrong then they do.
We can't go around and take computers (or guns) away from people. Instead we need to teach people the right way to use them in a responsible manner.
that article didnt mention anything about hackers or hacking.so much for the acurate title. its just big business crying over money they are "losing", money which they may not have even made to begin with. the internet is the one medium where govt and big business has little control over and they cant stand it . they want us to be mindless zombies doin seeing and thinking only what they deem appropriate and now they want us to force kids into the same mindset. whats next, will it be illegal for me to borrow a dvd or game from a friend because they are losing money by me not going out and purchasing my own copy? The article even stated that most who were arrested weren't even selling the pirated material. simply trading or giving it away. that 11.75 billion dollars isnt even a scratch compared to the profits these businesses make off of people every year.
I don't mean to take away anyone's computer. I say what's got to be done is for someone to take care of who is hosting big warez sites, cracking games, selling cracks etc. They are the source of the problem, not the kids.
Of course you should try to learn the kids right from wrong, but like with drugs and alcohole and sex, they tend to do whatever is most fun, not what they know is right. And we're told all the time that stealing is wrong, the music industry is busy doing that at this moment. But perhaps the kids don't think copying music is stealing. In that case, they should be told it is. The schools could take part in that.
Maybe the problem is kids like me can't afford $300+ software but still need to use the tools
I'll be damned if I spend $1000 on Visual Studio Professional just 'cause I need to use Visual C++ and Spy++
Maybe the problem is that the floodgates are open and we realize that the world is changing. In this new information culture property rights are irrelevent... I see, I want, I get, that simple.
Oh, wait, are all those things problems, or do we just realize something they don't?
I honestly couldn't give a rats ass if ppl. copy programs.
If you are an IT student, you need to use a lot of windows os's and programs but these are simply too expensive and M$ doesn't do a thing about it.
"If freedom is so precious,perhaps
it should be rationed."
attributed to joe stalin
:cool:
Well, yes and no. Yes because the internet and how easy it is to use has contributed a lot of information that has been abused.Quote:
This is bullshit. What we need is to get to the source of the problem. Typical American thinking, just like their gun-policy: The problem is not the guns, but the kids that fire them. Yeah right!
No because in this day and age now, american kids (at least those I see) are nothing more than a bunch of ignorant apathetic irresponsible never-disciplined everything-handed-to-them losers. Not all, mind you, but for ever 1 good kid I see today, I see 10 that same day that justify my reasoning never to have kids.
I will disagree on the "typical american" thinking comment. What does Norway think about things like this (assuming your info is correct on where you're from).
Question: if it's the computer that's the problem and not the kid behind the keyboard, left alone to it's devices, do you think it'll honestly launch that bot-driven DDoS just because? After all, this isn't HAL, hehe...so yes, it *is* the kids.
Ok. I take back the American thinking.
What I based the statement on are these few things I know about US politics: The gun policy. The much talked about rocket shield: It can't possibly be the right way to spend money, just think about Septembet 11. Again, what is the source of the problem? And last, the American policy on crime: How crime-fighting has become a huge industry, and rehabilitation of criminals is not the main goal.
That said, I have nothing against America, so I'm sorry if I offended anyone. That was not the point.
And as for Norway and these things: Latley, the prime minsiter has raised questions about the current morale of the common Norwegian. What he said was that perhaps lack of moral in the grown up community is passed on to the kids. So whenever you read about kids in the newspaper doing drugs, joining criminal gangs etc and you say: "man, what is this world coming to", you should at same ask yourself: What about myself? What have I done to prevent this? What values do I pass onto the little ones? So I guess that's somehow similar to whats written in the NYT aritcle.
No offense taken on the comment earlier, :D , just know that it's not all of us that think that way. You'll find that a lot of americans don't think the way the government portrays us. A lot of the decisions, like the FBI's new playtoy keylogger, are made by Congress, and they barely know how to turn a computer on, yet they're making a decision that will more likely invade our privacy (what little we have left) instead of actually trying to fix the problem. Any "terrorist" with a brain wouldn't use a computer or at least wouldn't use a privately-owned one. That's what libraries are for. This is just one of a lot of things that're decided for us, to serve us in "best interest" yet we're not asked. As for voting, that's a joke. I live in Florida, where the old population is outrageously high. We have Canadians coming down for six months, everyone visits, etc etc, and they have all the time in the world to vote on things that don't pertain to us (the rest of the working middle class). Voting in 2004 will definitely be different though. But I digress...as for the gun policy...once again, made by people who live in mansions on the good side of town barricaded behind walls and 7' privacy fences, etc etc. Their view of the world is definitely a lot more jaded than ours.
All this stuff about kid hackers
is Hollywood BS.
A few years ago, some comedian
claimed that he couldn't set the clock
on his VCR, but his kid COULD.
Hollywood always portrays kids
as wise beyond their years.
Kids are assumed to know computers
right out of the womb. My experience
is that kids are just as clueless
as adults, only not as aware
of their own ignorance.
:cool:
Target kids for a War on Hacking? i can see the evening news already. No sooner are the terrorists dead then we turn our attention to the WAR on Hacking/Piracy. Nice.
This goes back to the parents. Target adults for this type of crap not kids. Usually when you make something taboo for kids, it becomes a problem. i.e alcohol, driving,etc. etc.
Educate the parents. Get the parents involved in the kids life.
Sorry, my turn to digress.
I disagree with that. I think that the idea that all kids are computer wizards of definitely overblown, but kids do have a knack of picking up things related to computers faster than adults. This is just my experience.Quote:
Originally posted by rcgreen
My experience
is that kids are just as clueless
as adults, only not as aware
of their own ignorance.
:cool:
the average kid is just as dumb as the average kid has always been. and there will always be the above average.
i think the real issue is: do we want the internet to be integrated fully into society, or should it remain the last open range, where anyone can be whatever and do whatever he/she wants. If we want full integration, it needs to have laws and regulations. There's just no place for pirates in society.
i'd like to see it remain free for just awhile longer, it's just too much damme fun.