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Need I really explain anymore why this vile place is so awful? Could it be the thousands of members pretending they know anything when for the most part this is the breeding ground of the internet's most rejected people. If you were all so smart why aren't you off working for @stake security or developing software or anything? Why? Because for the most part, you people specialize in nothing more then reading outdated text files and learning the ins and outs of the most popular windows freeware firewalls, despite the fact that most of you probably have no clue what the information being dumped into the logs mean. But that's ok, you have antionline for a little help with your egos. You get a pat on the back everytime you post something that someone else does not know (which of course is not hard to do when you type random acronyms into the free online dictionary of computing). It is amazing how the activity on the forum increases thanks to pedalogical days at US high schools. You folks are not security experts, and you are no where near. You mask your desire to be given information, by claiming you are here to learn. Well you block head, charlie brown, no information of any value is passed along here. An example? The tutorial on C, such minimal information can most certainly NOT send anyone on any kind of learning path. Most of the tutorials writen can be found by taking a not so far journey to programmingtutorials.com. Remote Access constantly pastes tutorials that I doubt he has even ever read past the first paragraph. So obviously someone not as stupid as you would come to the conclusion that these tutorials do nothing more than to serve your egos. Next your lord JP aka the backstabbing media whore doesn't even do anything to update content, or put content at all! He has constantly proven himself to be a liar and unknowledgable. He himself was the biggest of all script kiddies and only created antionline to fortify his need to be accepted by the hacker community. It is a shame that all you people are either too young or too blind by your winnuke cliques to not have been involved in the internet's shady community prior to antionline meeting venture capital. is that enough you fool.

Need I really explain anymore why this vile place is so awful?
- Nope. You're mere presence is explination enough for this place being as vile and awful as it is..

Could it be the thousands of members pretending they know anything when for the most part this is the breeding ground of the internet's most rejected people.
- Could it be oblio has no life and just post ignorat threads to annoy and piss people off?

If you were all so smart why aren't you off working for @stake security or developing software or anything?
- Muhaha, dose everyone else's intelligence intemidate you? Why aren't YOU working for SANS or @Stake? Why aren't YOU developing software?

Why?
- ..why? Why must you infest these forms with your meaningless nonsence? Why?

Because for the most part,
- For the most part, you have nothing better to do and you are an ass. Your ignorance may be amuseing and entertaining at times but it's usually just annoying.

you people specialize in nothing more then
- I specialize in learning, reading, typeing, html, helping ppl, developing computer skills, setting goals, achiveing them, gaining certificates, and other various things.. all of which you fail to "specialize" in..

reading outdated text files and learning the ins and outs of the most popular windows freeware firewalls,
- what's the point of reading outdated txt files? What's wrong with haveing a free firewall? It's secure enough to keep SKs like your self out of my box. :D

despite the fact that most of you probably have no clue what the information being dumped into the logs mean.
- ok, what info. and what logs are you refering to? And what ever it is, if none of us know what it means then you must be totaly in the dark..

But that's ok,
- Yups.. it's ok oblio.. it's ok...

you have antionline for a little help with your egos.
- I don't need AO to help with my ego. ;)

You get a pat on the back everytime you post something that someone else does not know
- It seems that your have a bit of jealousy towards those who get compliments on their post. If there was something that you could post that some one didn't know..(hehe, sure) then may be you would get a pat on the back...


(which of course is not hard to do when you type random acronyms into the free online dictionary of computing).
- Since it's not hard to do.. why haven't YOU done it?

It is amazing how the activity on the forum increases thanks to pedalogical days at US high schools.
- blah blah blah

You folks are not security experts, and you are no where near.
- Muhaha, as if you are? Muhaha

You mask your desire to be given information, by claiming you are here to learn.
- If you're not here to learn or teach, why are you here?

Well you block head, charlie brown,
- Well you dunce, fool, ignorant bastard, STFU!

no information of any value is passed along here.
- CORRECTION: No information from oblio is of any value. All other information is usually passed along.

An example?
- Look at oblio's past post.. need I say more?

The tutorial on C,
- How many tutorials on C did you write oblio?

such minimal information
- Let's see you add something to it..

can most certainly NOT send anyone on any kind of learning path.
- CORRECTION: Can't help oblio cause he dosen't get it.

Most of the tutorials writen can be found by taking a not so far journey to programmingtutorials.com.
- Or 1001tutorials.com There's lots of places to find 'em.

Remote Access constantly pastes tutorials that I doubt he has even ever read past the first paragraph.
- I've read every one of the tutorials that I've posted from other sites. I've gave proper credit where it was due. I showed the source. Why are you complaining? I didn't post them for personal glory or gratification.. I did it to help people jackass.

So obviously someone not as stupid as you would come to the conclusion that these tutorials do nothing more than to serve your egos.
- Your ignorance never ceases dose it?

Next your lord JP aka the backstabbing media whore
- once again oblio, if you don't like it LEAVE

...is that enough you fool.
- Yes that is enough. We're all tired of hearing you bitch and moan about everything. Once again oblio, if you don't like it LEAVE..

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and you know whats funny, these threads arent started by saying look what i found, there started by saying help me with this. some people actualy dont know something and admit it. i admit that my personal knowledge isnt what it could be, but if i have i problem and i post it here who do you think is going to get it solved first, you with your "outdated texts" or me with me online comunity?
its really posts like yours that make this place look ignorant, not ours.

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and you know whats funny, these threads arent started by saying look what i found, there started by saying help me with this. some people actualy dont know something and admit it. i admit that my personal knowledge isnt what it could be, but if i have i problem and i post it here who do you think is going to get it solved first, you with your "outdated texts" or me with me online comunity?
its really posts like yours that make this place look ignorant, not ours.

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Well said. (or typed)

Oblio, we all understand that puberty can be a difficult time in your life. With all that hair coming up in places it never used to be and your voice constantly changing, not to mention the acne and "teen angst" music. But just stick with it. Eventually it'll all pass and you'll be fine....


I've also attached a few links that you might want to take a look at. They just might help you out---



link1

link2

link3



Good luck...

Gather 'round, kids, and I'll tell you a tale...







Once upon a time, in the happy land of AntiOnline, there was lots of information flowing through the forums. Some of us may still remember this time. If one needed information, all they needed to do was ask, and they usually had an answer within an hour. The people were friendly as well. Yes, it was a very happy, productive land. Then one day, it happened. A new boy to the forums showed up. His name was hehbris. Something wasn't quite right about this boy. For one reason or another, he always thought he was better than everybody else. He refused to play nice with all the other boys and girls, and was always mouthing off to the adults and elders. He also liked to run around screaming random words and phrases, never saying anything intelligent or useful, yet he still fancied himself a highly intellectual little boy. He was always stirring up trouble every chance he got, and turning the forums into a huge knotted mess. Yes, something was definitely stuck up this little boy's ass. Some think it's a needle, others, a hot water bottle. Some even go as far as to think it's the entire cast of "Stomp", but that doesn't matter. One day, the mayor of AntiOnline, JP, decided he had had enough of this little boy's antics, and kicked him out of the town. This did something to hehbris. Being kicked out made him very angry, so he put on a disguise, used the cover name of oblio. He was now on a mission to destroy the once peaceful town of AntiOnline, and set right to work. He soon noticed that he could not do this on his own, however, and recruited a friend to join him. That friend is known to us as "chemical". Rumor has it that chemical is more than oblio's friend, but those rumors have yet to be confirmed. So oblio and his "friend" quickly set out to destroy AntiOnline, for they do not like it when somebody else has different ideals as them. They let it show, too, through their reign of terror over the weak, and their extreme annoyance to the elders. When asked "Why, chemical and oblio, why?" they responded with gibberish and insults, as they were unable to come up with a valid reason. They just pretended to be more intelligent than everybody else, and continued their destruction. The mayor JP, has not yet shown the leadership to banish them from the town, stopping their reign of terror. The citizens of AntiOnline, of course, are not happy with this, and are likely to one day call for him to banish them, or step down as mayor. Oblio and chemical's reign of terror and destruction continues to this day. Of course, it doesn't have to be that way. If the friendly citizens of AntiOnline rise up and learn that if they treat such destruction with a sense of humor, it will all undo itself. Some have realized this, and reply sensibly, or cease replying completely. Unfortunately, many of the members here have not yet realized this, and unwittingly contribute to the continually nearing demise of AntiOnline. The rest of the citizens can only hope that the others will one day figure it out, and reclaim the power they have given to chemical and oblio. Some day, it is prophecized that the rest of the users will rise up as well, ending oblio and chemical's reign of terror, and AntiOnline will begin to rebuild.











TO BE CONTINUED.....

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Need I really explain anymore why this vile place is so awful?

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No. It's because of braindead ****ers like yourself that have nothing better to to than clutter a good forum with nonsense.





How about playing a nice little game of hide and go **** yourself.

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oh i so hope this story has a happy ending

Oblio, Chemical, and whoever else you may post as:

Why is it, every post I read, has to be filled with useless blather about how bad everyone else is? Where were you when jason-mis' box got hacked? Where were you when people were asking for help in the newbie section? Were you available online like I, and others, were to help out people through aim, icq, etc? Christ on a flaming raft, shut the **** up if you're not going to post anything remotely useful. You talk of Remote_Access and how he cuts and pastes but guess what? He's given the source, he's given credit, and it's useful. You complain about the tutorial for C? Well ****, unless it's going to be over 10 pages in length, all you can consider it really is a presentation to C but guess what, it's a start. What did you learn in C the first couple of days...lemme answer that, you learned how to 'printf("Hello world!\n");' and probably were still wondering just what that Makefile really was about. I'm not trashing YOU because I don't do that, but I WILL trash the fact that all you do is post useless blather downing others while trying to put yourself on a pedestal claiming higher knowledge that we know nothing about. Do you do unix administration? Linux administration? Anything more than point-and-click? User administration? How about Oracle? Informix? Postgresql? Solaris? AIX? HP-UX? Vax/VMS? See, all that **** I just named, I've done, am doing, will do..but do you see me bragging about how much I know? Unix administration is a daily lesson in humility and frankly, I'm getting tired of reading about your greater-than-thou attitude (and chemical, you're not doing much either) with nothing to back it up. And don't think you've "really" gotten to me yet, because that hasn't happened. So don't go off and try to gloat about how you got under the skin of someone else...that's just the typical high-school jock and fortunately for us, you're not IN that arena...you're on antionline.com, where we're SUPPOSED to add to the community. Nothing you've posted outside of 3 I can count of (see, I give YOU credit for things that have been useful when you're not trying to be an ass) has counted for that.

Hell, it's 2002 and I can see already that most of this is useless. It must really suck to be you dude, I pity you. I'd hate to have to wake up every day and not look in the mirror, knowing that the only way I'd get attention is to piss off a bunch of people I don't know. Sad...

STFLOOK: you asked for reasons why I do not like antionline. I have given them to you. Next, I never pretended not be hehbris, this nick certainly was no guise. Chemical was never recruited but merely came on his own. Chemical and I are not involved in any sort of relationship other than a nice and healthy friendship. I don't think I am better than you, I know I am. As for you remote access, nice attempt at a retort, but like usual you left me laughing. Oh by the way Remote Access I do have a security job.

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Oh by the way Remote Access I do have a security job.

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Yea...the guinea pig! rofl

As far as your reasons for hating this site go, I will admit that a couple of your statements are true. One of your arguments was even valid. But mostly, it was nothing but insult-hurling. I offered to leave this site and delete my account if you could provide compelling reasons as to why you hate this site. I was prepared to back-up my offer. However, you have not kept-up your end of the deal. Therefore, neither will I.

segmentation fault
core dumped
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If you were all so smart why aren't you off working for @stake security or developing software or anything?

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actually i am developing a software under a mix of Visual Basic, C++ and Java.. with the help of a friend though since my weapon of choice is VB and his weapon of choice is Java.. and we're juz neutral with the C++

and i also work as a free lance Network Consultant.. which also means i do a great deal when it comes to network security and connectivity..

its just those times when i need to ask a quetion and a quick answer that i post a question in here.. considering im juz a network admin and not a systems engineer.. i cant answer every problem that doesnt relate to networking..

Warning: long post ahead just because I have that kind of time... figured I'd dissect this whole post.

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Oh God, please no...

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Could it be the thousands of members pretending they know anything when for the most part this is the breeding ground of the internet's most rejected people.

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Well, that could be "thousands of members plus one been-a-long-time-since-I-had-any-real-fun loser". But I could be wrong. Chances are, you'll tell me if I was, right?

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If you were all so smart why aren't you off working for @stake security or developing software or anything? Why? Because for the most part, you people specialize in nothing more then reading outdated text files and learning the ins and outs of the most popular windows freeware firewalls, despite the fact that most of you probably have no clue what the information being dumped into the logs mean.

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Interesting, does this mean that if you do anything else pertaining to this site and systems administration no matter what OS, user administration, and other things relating to said subject (programming, db work, etc) but it's not at this @stake or developing software that it's a **** job? Glad I have a higher self-esteem about my position.

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But that's ok, you have antionline for a little help with your egos. You get a pat on the back everytime you post something that someone else does not know (which of course is not hard to do when you type random acronyms into the free online dictionary of computing).

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This is just one of my posts, but go here and then get back with me to tell me just how much **** I threw around in those posts when I was trying to help this guy out along with others.

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It is amazing how the activity on the forum increases thanks to pedalogical days at US high schools.

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Interesting you should make some reference (I would say symlink, but hey, you'd probably say I pulled that out of some book somewhere) to high school. Isn't that how half or more of your posts come across?

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You folks are not security experts, and you are no where near. You mask your desire to be given information, by claiming you are here to learn. Well you block head, charlie brown, no information of any value is passed along here. An example? The tutorial on C, such minimal information can most certainly NOT send anyone on any kind of learning path. Most of the tutorials writen can be found by taking a not so far journey to programmingtutorials.com.

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I don't think I recall seeing very many people (and that's counting on one hand) that have said they're even close to being a security "expert". You could work in the security field for years and not be an expert. Hell, you'd work every day just to stay *current* much less being close to "ahead of the game". As for the 'no information being passed along' comment, go read that aforementioned link again and I think you'll find a lot of people DO pass information along. I don't even have to put a challenge out for that because if you denied it, I'd go find a good 30 posts or so and point you in that direction. As for tutorials, we've already been over that. In this field, you learn something new every day and if you think otherwise, well, you're in the wrong field and you have the wrong attitude.

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Remote Access constantly pastes tutorials that I doubt he has even ever read past the first paragraph. So obviously someone not as stupid as you would come to the conclusion that these tutorials do nothing more than to serve your egos.

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There you go again, hanging onto Remote_Access. I believe I called you out to rank on me instead a while back. I could go find the post but what's the point...I'd be very surprised if you responded to this as you haven't responded to anything I've written in concern with you. Why is that? And before you can say 'Begone oh ye of little worth' or something else that sounds like it came out of a teeny-bopper's mouth or something that a college booksmart whore would say, I'm looking for a *real* answer.

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Next your lord JP aka the backstabbing media whore doesn't even do anything to update content, or put content at all! He has constantly proven himself to be a liar and unknowledgable. He himself was the biggest of all script kiddies and only created antionline to fortify his need to be accepted by the hacker community.

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That's just too funny to even say much about it. I'm pretty sure JP has a lot more to do than babysit a message board that he makes available for free along with this site. He apparently had some sort of vision to spread the word about security in a positive manner trying to educate people...I think he's succeeded. You, on the other hand, seem to have a vision to piss off everyone you meet, outside of chemical, writing and hiding behind a keyboard. Unfortunately, that's suceeded too, but eventually, something will happen.
As for him being a liar, that's a bit like 'online defamation' isn't it? Well, at least you only had a few adjectives to "describe" him, whereas I'm sure there's countless people could come up with for people like yourself.

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It is a shame that all you people are either too young or too blind by your winnuke cliques to not have been involved in the internet's shady community prior to antionline meeting venture capital.

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I don't think half of this community is "too young" or "too blind" in concern with the topic of this site. As for winnuke, I've never used it. I've never DoSed anyone, although I've had to stop the attempts (and it's funny to watch them drop off eventually after a failed attempt). And I don't have plans to do anything that's malicious towards anyone online. I do keep stringent logs and make very good use of that information.

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is that enough you fool.

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Moral of the story: attitude is 90% of everything...too bad yours is rather bad, along with chemical's. I've seen no hard proof of anything different. Hope you don't plan on finding a "real" job out there thinking like this...or if you do, I'll be surprised if you keep it a year, 2 max.

Yes, now do you want a cannister of vikane?

Yeah, this might go against my "I don't trash you" comment I made earlier, but hell, it burned up half an hour for me (or something like that).

I'd like to thank you all for contributing to this thread. Especially oblio. Without him, this incredibly informative thread would not be in existence.... and I would not have just spent ten whole minutes laughing my ass off!!! Thanks everyone!!! This is much better than prime-time TV!!!

--PhirePhreak

oh, and oblio... go **** yourself :)

As I sat here reading this thread, I realized that I agreed with oblio. There are a few people here who do know a great deal about security, and there are those who come here to learn, but there are a large number of members who dont know a thing about security, and fill this forum with garbage. Then there are kiddiots who come here and pretend to be the all high hacking masters. Im not going to name any names. I dont want anyone to be offended by this, but between the insults and attacks are words of truth. Just think that you are helping to prove his point by replying to his post. Your flames will only degrade the quality of the posts here at antionline even more.

so, oblio, chemical, and who ever else shares their oppinion, if this site is so much **** then why do you even bother, im just fine being as ignorant as you say i am, learning from people that are ignorant.

I agree with oblio
- Have you finally lost it man?

As I sat here reading this thread, I realized that I agreed with oblio.
- Yups, folks, he's lost it..

There are a few people here who do know a great deal about security,
- And there are a few people who don't know a great deal about security but we do know more than most..

and there are those who come here to learn,
- Like I said before, if your not here to teach or learn then why are you here?


but there are a large number of members who dont know a thing about security,
- Yes there is.. Are you too busy posting whoring to take 5 minutes to help some one?

and fill this forum with garbage.
- We all know who you mean..

hen there are kiddiots who come here and pretend to be the all high hacking masters. Im not going to name any names.
- By all means preacher boi, say some names. Who are you talking about? Name some names..


I dont want anyone to be offended by this,
- Too late..

but between the insults and attacks are words of truth.
- Yes there are. The truth is buried some where benieth the flames but none the less, it's there. You just have to look for it.

Just think that you are helping to prove his point by replying to his post.
- And what did you just do?

Your flames will only degrade the quality of the posts here at antionline even more.
- Yups.. but if you can ignore the flames, insults, and rude comments, it's a good place..


Remote_Access_

Remote_Access_ ...nice post, but I think you've failed to see ThePreacher's idea.

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- And there are a few people who don't know a great deal about security but we do know more than most..

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Yet it's those few who know nothing but bullshit that can ruin an entire thread (a.k.a. chemical with his "la la la la la la's" ...).

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- Like I said before, if your not here to teach or learn then why are you here?

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I was talking to Noble Hamlet (in a thread) about this...and I asked him this same question. And he said something to the effect of just making this place a hellhole for users.

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Posting Whoring??.... I am speachless...

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And what did you just do?

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Just a minute flame to all of those (me included) who posted here...

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Yes, but what you have to understand, Remote, is that there shouldn't be these flames, insults, and rude comments in the first place. And if there is...it shouldn't be in this huge proportion. I swear, over 50% of the threads here contain some flaming of some person...it's not healthy!

WebCarnage, your post is good about realizing just what some people do (make life a "hell" for others without contributing anything worthwhile) but I think the real problem is that while we see this and we can make all efforts to prevent it, said people who like starting **** don't give one rat's ass about what we think and will continue to do whatever they want because they can, because they have nothing better to do, or any number of other reasons. Whatever flips their skirt up...considering they won't change for the better until something traumatic, like oh...a bus falls on their house or something, all I can expect is that in a few days Oblio will post a thread about someone else and it'll continue there, or Chemical will post something similar and it'll go there...or whatever. It just happens, like windows crashing.

Thats why we all need Linux...

Ok ok ok, for the last post...I'm only joking (for whoever got the joke). But seriously though. Yes Vorlin...your right. But tell me, Vorlin, how will we prevent this (lets say to stop chemical from EVER posting again). We can't ask JP...well we can...but it won't take effect until a couple of weeks. And knowing him - he can do alot in two weeks. Then when JP shuns him from all of AntiOnline's activites...he'll merely get a new Screen Name and log back in. (chemical1 or chemical_returned...blah blah blah).

Yet maybe oblio and chemical (Noble Hamlet?) are only here to screw around with people here. I can't even begin to imagine how many people who needed help being 'forced' to leave because of embarrasement set on them by either one of them.

*Remembers that Killer_Boy post about hacking with telnet...and tries to hold back laughter*

But yea... All's hell in here. I mean...look at Ennis...he even left. (Not because of embarrasment - I can tell you that now). But just because this place has become "less than bluecollar" (<-- anology) which is NOT good at all.

oblio it is a shame that a talented programmer such as yourself resorts to the slander of others...others who are attempting to contribute to this forum. You have stated many times your frustration with the knowledge level of our members. Perhaps you will share some of the cutting edge secrurity tips you have access to..even some programming tricks would be welcome. I have tried to goad you in the past by posting code and getting you involved. The only interest I saw in you however was the desire to hurt and disrespect others. Perhaps there are half truths buried in the distorted picture you have created...they should be ignored however. The focus should be on network security related issues. In bewteen the site revalent posts friendships and alliances form. The non revalent posts should be used to bring poeple together in friendship and respect. I fail to see your motive for being here if this is the attitude you have. That attitude will bring nothing but failure and aggravation no matter what talent you posses!

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You hit the nail right on the head.. Yes, I do fail to realise the ideal behind agreeing with oblio.

is that there shouldn't be these flames, insults, and rude comments in the first place.
- Yes, that's correct. There SHOULDN'T be but there is..


And if there is...it shouldn't be in this huge proportion.
- I agree

I swear, over 50% of the threads here contain some flaming of some person...it's not healthy!
- AO Member Warning: Over exposure to flames, insults, and rude comments may cause head aches,sleep deprivation, irrational post, and other minor injuries. This can be prevented by simply ignoreing these people.

Remote_Access_

in case you idiots haven't noticed, most of my angry posts are directed to regular users, who are the ones who present themselves as intelligent but are obviously not.

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You hit the nail right on the head.. Yes, I do fail to realise the ideal behind agreeing with oblio.

is that there shouldn't be these flames, insults, and rude comments in the first place.
- Yes, that's correct. There SHOULDN'T be but there is..


And if there is...it shouldn't be in this huge proportion.
- I agree

I swear, over 50% of the threads here contain some flaming of some person...it's not healthy!
- AO Member Warning: Over exposure to flames, insults, and rude comments may cause head aches,sleep deprivation, irrational post, and other minor injuries. This can be prevented by simply ignoreing these people.

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So, dear friend...what are YOU going to do about it? We need to change AntiOnline drastically - yet nobody seems to care. But...once we do start caring...what should we do? ...Any ideas are greatful.

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in case you idiots haven't noticed, most of my angry posts are directed to regular users, who are the ones who present themselves as intelligent but are obviously not.

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Well it has come to my attention that you, my friend, have/are:

• started angry posts
• a regular user
• presented yourself as intelligent

Your a far cry from helping people oblio...lets try heading back the other direction. Maybe there's hope for you yet...

I questioned whether or not to even reply to this thread at first, because I knew that some would see me as crazy for agreeing with oblio. So Remote_Access_ dont be upset.

I agree with oblio
- Have you finally lost it man?

I wonder myself sometimes

As I sat here reading this thread, I realized that I agreed with oblio.
- Yups, folks, he's lost it..

Perhaps I have lost it

There are a few people here who do know a great deal about security,
- And there are a few people who don't know a great deal about security but we do know more than most..

My point is that there are fewer here who are knowledable than those who are not

and there are those who come here to learn,
- Like I said before, if your not here to teach or learn then why are you here?

I am a student, my purpose here is to learn

but there are a large number of members who dont know a thing about security,
- Yes there is.. Are you too busy posting whoring to take 5 minutes to help some one?

Im not going to take offense at this comment, but I will say that I try to help whenever I can, but since I am still learning I will ask more questions than anything.

and fill this forum with garbage.
- We all know who you mean..

hen there are kiddiots who come here and pretend to be the all high hacking masters. Im not going to name any names.
- By all means preacher boi, say some names. Who are you talking about? Name some names..

If I was to name names it would bring about a lash of revenge that would probably be deserving.


I dont want anyone to be offended by this,
- Too late..

I knew when I wrote this that someone would get upset with me

but between the insults and attacks are words of truth.
- Yes there are. The truth is buried some where benieth the flames but none the less, it's there. You just have to look for it.

The truth I saw in oblio's post is that there are not very many truly useful posts here in comparison to the flames, bragging, attacks, and general crap that is posted everyday.

Just think that you are helping to prove his point by replying to his post.
- And what did you just do?

Unfortunately in order to bring light to a subject, I had to reply. Am I proving his point by posting here, yes but so are you.

Your flames will only degrade the quality of the posts here at antionline even more.
- Yups.. but if you can ignore the flames, insults, and rude comments, it's a good place..

Ive been able to ignore flames a great deal since I joined AntiOnline, but it gets out of hand too often lately. There are at least 5 active threads thats whole purpose is to flame, and the responses are greater than 30 posts.

Once again, Im sorry if I offended, but this is just one members opinion.

Don't worry, Preacher. I know where you're coming from. I agree with what some of what he had to say. I could have probably understood more of his argument if he hadn't been so bent on throwing insults that he lost the whole argument. When I asked him for his reasons for hating this site, I figured he would be thrilled somebody was willing to listen to him, and he would talk civilly. Instead, I get called a loser, and a really moody, nasty rant about how horrible this place is. It doesn't bother me, but if I was him and somebody was willing to listen to my side of the story with an open mind, I would take the time to present an intelligent argument.

If he wants to calm down and present a good argument as to why this place is so bad, I'm still willing to listen. I believe that even though his methods are extremely unpopular (and also childish), there is a valid argument buried in there. There were valid arguments among his rants, such as the lack of information in the forums. Let's face it, there isn't as much information flowing through here as there used to be. Why? Because there really are a lot of people here who are just starting out, aren't cut-out for computers, or just don't care about learning. The big difference is that I don't let it get to me. Hell, I'm probably partly to blame for it. After all, there is only so much a 16 year old can know. The difference is that I am learning. It's mostly not security, but I'm learning as best I can with the materials I have. I'm currently miles ahead of even the best computer students at my school, and I'm still packing the knowledge away as fast as I can. I'm currently trying to master Linux. I even have SuSE on this machine (an easy distro, but I need the functionality, and you have to start somewhere). When I'm good enough, I want to switch over to Slackware. I also have a Red Hat 7 box that I have turned into a web server. The site sucks, but web design isn't currently my primary focus. I even have a book on C for Linux that I'm currently reading. It's very interesting so far. I'm about to get a junker machine, on which I'm going to install FreeBSD. I'm considering the possibility of turning it into an FTP server for various files (and if I get bored enough, maybe an open relay :lildevil: ) No, I'm not a security expert, but honestly, how many people are? Not many. If you had to be a security expert to get an account here, this site would have 2 members at the most. It would probably have none.











Once again, I agree there are people here who don't want to learn about computers, but why is that such a big deal? They're still good for the conversation, and it keeps this site from becoming a total bore. I do, however, think that there isn't as much information flowing through here as there should be, but I also think that it doesn't justify the reaction it's getting from oblio. I see some of his argument, but I think he's being a bit irrational about it.











oblio: Maybe now, you will hopefully understand that while not everybody here is as knowledgeable as some say you are, some of us really do want to learn. You can't start off as a security expert. If you could, learning it would be no fun. So maybe for a minute, you can forget those who don't want to learn, and spread the knowledge to those who do. There really ARE some knowledgeable people in here who will listen to what you have to say, and would be glad to have the help from somebody who knows more than they do. Just forget those that do not want to learn. It's not worth getting pissed over, and they really are good to keep this site from becoming a total bore. Although, there is a limit, and I do agree that we have probably exceeded it. Posts such as the "Christina Aguilera" ones really are nothing more than unneccessary gossip. However, that "World's Longest Thread" you hate so much, that is just a fun little thing that has been added to the forums.





If you think this site is so horrible, maybe you could suggest somewhere else for those of us who are serious about learning? How about some good reading or reference materials? Surely you must be willing to help those of us who are here for other things than just chit chat.





So what about Remote_Access_ and his cut and paste tutorials? He has credited them properly, and he obviously thinks that they would be useful to somebody. It just adds one more thing for newbies to learn at this site. If I stumbled upon something I felt would be useful to post, I would do the same. Maybe he does it too much. I don't know for sure, as I don't visit the tutorials forum a lot. Even if he does, it's not that big of a deal.





What I'm trying to say, is that you should probably consider quitting your fight with those who do not want to learn, as it's a lost battle from the beginning. Instead, why not pay more attention to those of us who do know what they're doing, such as petemcevoy, Vorlin, or MsMittens? They obviously know more than almost all of the members here, and are perfectly capable of intelligent, advanced conversation. When I stumble across something I get stuck at, they're usually the first people I go to for additional help. For example, petemceovy (and also MsMittens to an extent) helped me out when I was just starting out with Linux. Now, I'm up and on my feet, and learning at a steady pace.





As for the newbies, I know they can be annoying sometimes, but most of them come for honest help, and do want to learn. The best thing to do is help them out, and maybe even hold their hand a little while they come up to speed. If they meet you halfway in effort (or at least try to), I see no problem with that. Yes, there are newbies out there who just want to become script kiddies and hack Hotmail, but those always get flamed to the point of straightening up, or leaving.