I hope to god this doesnt become a trend like all the school shootings.
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I hope to god this doesnt become a trend like all the school shootings.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/682652.asp#BODY
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That's a hell of a way to commit suicide...
But what I find more disturbing the the linking of any act that is potentially harmful to others without apparent cause being linked to terrorism and/or bin Laden. The kid was just like most other teenagers, but he actually DID kill himself, instead of just pondering it...and anyone in that state of mind can identify with anyone if it will personally justify their actions. Suicidal teens probably identified with Hitler at the time, too...but that doesn't make it a conspiracy.
Ouroboros
I hope that it dosen't become a trend either. How is it that these planes are allowed to be accessable without proper security? This kid obviously had some serious issues. They didn't go indepth as to what the note said. All they stated was that the kid supported bin laden.. What a sad, strange little man..
R.I.P.
Remote_Access_
Oh ****! *hides his order form for a Boeing 747 and smiles* hehehehe.. :D
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Originally posted by Remote_Access_
How is it that these planes are allowed to be accessable without proper security?
Remote_Access_
he had proper security, he was taking lessons. The FI walked away after telling the kid to do a pre-flight check.
As far as guarding all the planes out there let me ask you a quesiton. When was the last time you went to a rural airport? Most of them don't even have manned towers, much less the money to pay for someone to be there and watch everyone all the time. There are litterally tens of thousands of those small rural airports out there, and that would cost WAY too much money... especially since it would probably come from the taxpayers pocket anyway :rolleyes:
el
Well, I'm not sure how many of you know this, but I'm working on getting my PPL (private pilot license). I fly out of EKY (Bessemer Airport in Alabama). There is no tower there. Several rentable planes sit on the tarmac constantly. And get this... they keep the keys in the aircraft. If this sort of crap continues, I'm worried about what the FAA might do to the smaller airports like EKY. No way will I fly out of BHM (Birmingham International Airport, Birmingham, AL), that place is crazy. If they shut it down, there go my dreams of flying. If they limit access to it, I probably could get access, but some of my friends couldn't. And flying with friends makes it so much more fun. It scares me to think of all this stuff that's being blamed on lax airport security. Heck, there IS no security at EKY. You drive up the road, park in front of the FRO building, and walk right out onto the tarmac.
And this kid wasted a perfectly good Cessna 172. What a moron.
--PhirePhreak
no great loss.
Though I think the parents should definitely be investigated, especially if they have other children.
This kind of thing shouldnt happen with someone so young, unless they have been seriously mistreated.
Airports have tight security right now and are making passengers go nuts when undergoing security check. People who fly from Miami to Amsterdam have to spend hours being searched and questioned. Somehow some person will still manage to pull something off. First the guy with the xplosive shoe=failed attempt, now this brat with a cesna. All failed.
By the way, did you kow that you won't find the most explosi... I mean EXCLUSIVE shoes in Italy but Amsterdam??
In terms of disaster-potential... The smaller planes are hardly as much of a risk as the larger passenger planes, because they have less mass, less fuel, less people on board, etc. Locking them all down over this would be overkill. In other words, comparatively speaking, only the big planes are really an issue in terms of either causing damage or being damaged. So let's concentrate on the big ones, eh? (Excepting the case of Bio/Chem/Nuke warfare, where the plane would be a delivery vehicle.)
IcnNiSan: I think the article said he was an only child... It's in the very first paragraph :D Or were you referring to other cases like this? (Are there any?)
I wonder if the whole Bin Laden thing was more of a way to be remembered and for posthumous attention, rather than true ideological beliefs.
Terr,
I didnt really read it close enough to see if he was an only child or not.
Regardless, the situation should be investigated. If there are no other children in the household, it just is not quite as imperative to have the investigation move quickly. If there were other children, well, you have to move fast in order to protect them, if in fact they actually need to be protected.
I am not saying that the parents were definitely wrong in this case. It is always possible that the kid simply fell into the wrong crowd, or had a chemical imbalance which the parents were not capable of noticing(though when a kid does something like this, there are almost always some real signs that something is "not right" about the kid).
Well, we know a few things:
1: The kid was 15.
2: The kid was flying a Cessna 172, 2000 model, which carries about 25 gallons in each of the 2 gas tanks with about 4 gallons unusable.
3: He was in McDill AFB airspace for 1 minute, of which they scrambled two (2) F-16's from Homestead (Miami) which arrived 8 minutes later (about 5 minutes after the crash).
4: He was chased (and kept up with) the only other "military" aircraft and that was an unarmed Coast Guard helicopter who were trying to wave him down to land. Too bad it wasn't something like an Apache, which could've reduced his plane to nothing in seconds.
5: The ****er almost ran into another airplane, a SouthWest Airlines 737, which had just taken off minutes prior and was about 1000 feet in the air. Take yourself, sure...but almost taking out other planes with other people who actually WANT to live? Man, that's a burn-in-hell offense. Not that crashing into a building on the 28th floor is any better.
I hope this isn't a trend either, with idiots and "followers" trying to continue the attacks of the 11th or just using it as a coverup trying to get attention. As it is, you can kiss anyone under the age of 18 now flying. Goodbye, thank you, please drive through. That kid's ruined it for other kids trying to learn. Have a nice day. It's over. :mad:
What REALLY gets me going is yet again, this is another "I'm surprised he did it because he was always the quiet type"...**** that noise, I was quiet too in HS but you don't see me doing **** like that. Blame the parents. How can you NOT notice. The Columbine parents are a prime example. You think that by just giving your kid(s) whatever they want will solve everything and that you don't have to spend time with them? Idiots...this is exactly what parents have to look for. Get involved, stay involved, don't be suffocating but sure as hell pay attention to what he/she does and actually give a rat's ass when they DO come to you with a problem. May not be an issue for you but for them it is and it's already hard enough to talk to people, especially parents, about it.
Do you really think just because he took flying lessons that it made it it more secure for a 15 year old to fly a plane? You see what happened. He drove the son of a b!tch into a building!!Quote:
he had proper security, he was taking lessons
Where is the security in that? ARGH!! I'd like to add something to your list Vorlin.
6. El Diablo is a jackass
Oh and Terr, smaller planes like that one that was hijacked, can be just as damageing as the larger ones if equiped with bio chemical diseases and ****. Think about what would happen if one of those flew over a large city with 1000s of people and just released some kind of air born disease/plague...
Remote_Access_
Yeah I know what you mean Phire. The security at big airports has gotten incredibly tight, yet they leave the small ones completely untouched.Quote:
Originally posted by PhirePhreak
Well, I'm not sure how many of you know this, but I'm working on getting my PPL (private pilot license). I fly out of EKY (Bessemer Airport in Alabama). There is no tower there. Several rentable planes sit on the tarmac constantly. And get this... they keep the keys in the aircraft. If this sort of crap continues, I'm worried about what the FAA might do to the smaller airports like EKY. No way will I fly out of BHM (Birmingham International Airport, Birmingham, AL), that place is crazy. If they shut it down, there go my dreams of flying. If they limit access to it, I probably could get access, but some of my friends couldn't. And flying with friends makes it so much more fun. It scares me to think of all this stuff that's being blamed on lax airport security. Heck, there IS no security at EKY. You drive up the road, park in front of the FRO building, and walk right out onto the tarmac.
And this kid wasted a perfectly good Cessna 172. What a moron.
--PhirePhreak
Sure a small plane can't do as much damage to a skyskraper as a commercial jet could, but they can still be a threat. A person could easily take a small plane and fly it into a commercial airliner, destroying them both, and killing all aboard the commericial jet.
When I said he had proper security, it means that he has the right to be on the tarmac with the plane, and to even fly it but only with supervision (i.e. an FI). HE broke the rules that have been there for years before him. FWIW I flew when I was 15, it's been in the FAA rule book for years. Oh, and it's perfectly legal for a 12 year old to fly a plane with the correct supervision. I've seen it done plenty of times before. Of course before 9/11 I never heard of someone purposely running a plane into a building.Quote:
Do you really think just because he took flying lessons that it made it it more secure for a 15 year old to fly a plane? You see what happened. He drove the son of a b!tch into a building!!
Where is the security in that? ARGH!!
Hey **** you *******. I never flamed you, I was just stating FACTS. You asked where the security was in that and I responded.Quote:
I'd like to add something to your list Vorlin.
6. El Diablo is a jackass
What exactly do you think is "proper security"?
Do you want extensive background research for every person that flys? How about only 15 year olds? People of Arabic decent? Everyone? No one? It's called mitigation of risk, fool, you might want to look into it. The people that allowed him to fly were following procedures that have been used thousands of times before without these results. This kid was obviously unbalanced and he is to blame for what he did. DON'T blame the FAA, small plane manufacturers, private pilots, rural airports or anyone else. Blame the kid, and possibly even the parents.
So what's your point? The samething can be said about cars, trucks, trains, just about anything. Do you want to keep 15 year olds from riding in cars? How about kids of legal age? Perhaps you want to exclude anyone that is a professed Muslim. Oh my! Look it's some teenager that's driving a car by my house, perhaps he wants to run into my house and kill me and my family :rolleyes: That is knee jerk reaction, and is not going to help this situation.Quote:
Oh and Terr, smaller planes like that one that was hijacked, can be just as damageing as the larger ones if equiped with bio chemical diseases and ****. Think about what would happen if one of those flew over a large city with 1000s of people and just released some kind of air born disease/plague...
el
the only way to prevent this, and other things like it from becoming a trend, is MAKE parents responsibe for the actions of their childern.
every thing under your charge, you are responsibe for, if your dog bites someone or even shits on their property. your responsible. if you car rolls into someone elses, you gotta pay. even if nobody was even near your car.
it must have taken some time for him to develop that twisted state of mind. This kid had to be left totally alone for no one to notice.
if people knew they would get in trouble for the mis-deeds of their kids, things like this couldn't happen.
this was the ultimate attemp to hurt and humiliate someone, his parents, if earlier (and lesser) actions would have caused his parrents pain and shame he probably would have taken them and gotten help in doing so.
this is just my opion, but im nucking futts anyway.
HE broke the rules that have been there for years before him.
- Bingo buck-o!! That's why tighter security needs to be inplace.
FWIW I flew when I was 15,
- WTF dose FWIW mean? And I don't give a rat's @$$ when you flew your airplane. :p
it's been in the FAA rule book for years.
- Just 'cause it's in the rule book dosen't mean that everyone is going to obey it.
Oh, and it's perfectly legal for a 12 year old to fly a plane with the correct supervision.
- CORRECT SUPERVISION is right. Where was the supervision when that kid was boarding the plane?
I've seen it done plenty of times before. Of course before 9/11 I never heard of someone purposely running a plane into a building.
- blah blah blah
Hey **** you *******.
- Nah nah nah, ***** YOU diablo. :D
I never flamed you,
- Burn burn burn!
I was just stating FACTS.
- So was I.What exactly do you think is "proper security"?Quote:
I'd like to add something to your list Vorlin.
6. El Diablo is a jackass
- Armed guards standing by all the planes makeing sure that 15 year old kids that support bin laden don't take off in them and cause destruction and terror.
Do you want extensive background research for every person that flys?
- It wouldn't hurt and yes I would.
How about only 15 year olds?
- Especially 15 year olds.
People of Arabic decent?
- ESPECIALLY ppl of Arabic decent.
Everyone?
- It would help.
No one?
- No. EVERYONE.
It's called mitigation of risk, fool,
- It's called ignorance. Fool.
you might want to look into it.
- It appears that you've looked into it enough. Get out of it.
The people that allowed him to fly were following procedures that have been used thousands of times before without these results.
- blah blah blah. Where was the correct supervision then?
This kid was obviously unbalanced and he is to blame for what he did. DON'T blame the FAA, small plane manufacturers, private pilots, rural airports or anyone else. Blame the kid, and possibly even the parents.
- WTF? Did I mention any of that in my previous post?
So what's your point?
- Some people (Diablo) just don't get it...
The samething can be said about cars, trucks, trains, just about anything.
- Yups. A moveing truck was used in the OKC bombing.
Do you want to keep 15 year olds from riding in cars?
- Nopes. Just ppl like you.
How about kids of legal age?
- What's wrong with kids of legal age?
Perhaps you want to exclude anyone that is a professed Muslim.
- Perhaps..
Oh my! Look it's some teenager that's driving a car by my house, perhaps he wants to run into my house and kill me
- One could only hope so.. My luck you wouldn't be home.
Remote_Access_
I believe you have just proven yourself to be an ignorant, racist ass...
I'm not even going to bother with you from now on, you are a lost cause. I'm sure others here can see the same thing.
el
How it that? The American Gov. even dose racial profileing now due to SECURITY reasons.Quote:
I believe you have just proven yourself to be an ignorant, racist ass...
Ignorant - Perhaps on a few things. Ignorance is one that hasn't been taught. Stupidity is one that has been taught and still dosen't get it.. You my friend are stupid.
Racist - No. I see nothing wrong with doing back ground checks on suspected terrorist.
Ass - Yes, to an extent.
Remote_Access_
Nazi occupied Europe had the tightest
security on the planet, but it didn't
work.
I read a story about a teenager
in the US, during World War II,
who took shooting lessons every
day after school.
He would take his rifle to school
and then ride to the shooting
range on a public bus with the rifle
in plain view.
If people have no self-control,
the government will impose
"security" on us.
Then, the excessive security
will discourage good people
and make terrorism more prevalent.
:cool:
Nazi occupied Europe had the tightest
security on the planet, but it didn't work.
- 'Cause they fux0red with the wrong people
I read a story about a teenager in the US, during World War II,
who took shooting lessons every day after school.
He would take his rifle to school and then ride to the shooting
range on a public bus with the rifle in plain view.
- Stupid people have made that no longer one of the freedoms we now have. Especially those school shootings..
If people have no self-control, the government will impose
"security" on us.
- Most ppl do have self controll.. The ones behind bars are the ones whom have had "security" imposed on them.
Then, the excessive security will discourage good people
and make terrorism more prevalent.
- Where you came up with this theory is beyond me. How is it that you belive terrorism will be more prevalent? Extenssive security usually isn't taken unless otherwise needed..
Remote_Access_
Quote:
Originally posted by Terr
So let's concentrate on the big ones, eh? (Excepting the case of Bio/Chem/Nuke warfare, where the plane would be a delivery vehicle.)
Yes, I thought of that. :DQuote:
Originally posted by Remote_Access_
Oh and Terr, smaller planes like that one that was hijacked, can be just as damageing as the larger ones if equiped with bio chemical diseases and ****.
RA, Diablo, can we all just get along? I was halfway through the thread before I realized you two even had some sort of arguement going on. Let's just say that we all said some things which could have been stated in a better way, eh? :D
The real problem here is that
people say "WE should do this
or that to solve some social ill,
but there is no WE.
I speak for myself. I try to reason
with other people of good will.
"WE" is the tool of tyrants.
:cool:
So you want increased security at every single airport on Earth? Great idea, but it'll never work. There are simply way too many municipal airports and small airstrips to stand there and wave a gun in the face of everyone who wants to fly. Sorry, Remote_Access_, but I'm gonna disagree with you one this one. Just cause Neg's gone does not mean that you get to step up and humiliate yourself by trying to flame. You just don't have the Negative touch. You think that you can argue your side of the case simply by obnoxiously loud ignorance? I'd encourage you to think again. For the moment, I'm not going to go back and shoot holes in your little argument, but I'd be more than happy to do so later.
Oh, and even if it were possible to put security at every single airport, terrorists would simply find another mode of transportation. For example (this is a non-terrorist event, but could have been made into one with a bit of planning): this past weekend, a fuel tanker truck crashed into the supports of an interstate overpass here in Birmingham. The flames from the fuel in the tanker melted the bridge, and, until it was torn down yesterday, I believe, it was drooping to within 6 feet of the road underneath. Now, if a terrorist timed that right, they could have taken many lives from cars on the overpass. Or they could've targeted a building. I'm afraid that plugging one of the holes in the dike is not going to stop the others from leaking.
Remote-- keep in mind that I have nothing against you. Just against your posts on a topic that you obviously know nothing about. "It's not personal. Just buisiness."
--PhirePhreak
So you want increased security at every single airport on Earth?
Great idea, but it'll never work.
* Of course it won't. But it's a great idea none the less. :D
There are simply way too many municipal airports and small airstrips to stand there and wave a gun in the face of everyone who wants to fly.
* Yes there is but letting 15 year olds solo bord a plane is rediculus. Again, where was the correct supervision? Dose a 15 year old takeing a solo fligh not frighten you?
Sorry, Remote_Access_, but I'm gonna disagree with you one this one.
* No biggie.. Everyone has their own opinions.
Just cause Neg's gone does not mean that you get to step up and humiliate yourself by trying to flame.
* Ok hold up. I am in no way humiliated. If any thing you would think that you would learn something from the flames of Negative is that he resopnded to each remark with his own statements. ;)
You just don't have the Negative touch.
* No. But I've learned from the best. I have my own way of responding to post like yours and diablos.
You think that you can argue your side of the case simply by obnoxiously loud ignorance?
* No but it caught your attention didn't it?
I'd encourage you to think again.
* Well, thanks for the encouragement but I don't need it.
For the moment, I'm not going to go back and shoot holes in your little argument, but I'd be more than happy to do so later.
* Please do.
Oh, and even if it were possible to put security at every single airport, terrorists would simply find another mode of transportation.
* Indeed they would. I didn't say that they wouldn't/couldn't. I even mentioned another method used for terrorism.
For example (this is a non-terrorist event, but could have been made into one with a bit of planning): this past weekend, a fuel tanker truck crashed into the supports of an interstate overpass here in Birmingham. The flames from the fuel in the tanker melted the bridge, and, until it was torn down yesterday, I believe, it was drooping to within 6 feet of the road underneath. Now, if a terrorist timed that right, they could have taken many lives from cars on the overpass. Or they could've targeted a building. I'm afraid that plugging one of the holes in the dike is not going to stop the others from leaking.
* Good example. I see your point.
Remote-- keep in mind that I have nothing against you. Just against your posts on a topic that you obviously know nothing about. "It's not personal. Just buisiness."
*PhirePhreak--I have nothing against you either. Just against your posts. "It's not personal. Just buisiness."
Remote_Access_
I must agree with El Diablo to a point in his last post.
The US tightned the security of the big air planes as well as they could but thier aint much you can do to the smaller ones. There are just to many and not enough man power or money to totally secure this stuff from happening. Man the kid killed himself and he supported Bin Laden.. **** like that happens and you cant stop it all... Common you cant make it so people do not have access to things to cause mass destruction like a plane can.. just be thankfull he did not kill anyone elese. If the kid used a car to run into a building to kill himself not as many people would have cared cause it wouldnt have reminded us of 9-11 , but you have to understand everthing happens for a reason. Be glad he didnt grab some guns and make some low level bombs and go to school and start blowing away kids. Better his own sick self then anyone elese.
-NetBioM
Figured I'd add something that a lot of you probably don't have any idea about. This is dedicated to those who think that we're being a bit 'racist' towards some people due to the attacks.
This so-called "security" that's going on now...it's a lot worse in the middle east. Having lived 10 years in Saudi Arabia (Jeddah), I can safely say that we still have it incredibly easy compared to americans working over there. All your ****'s searched top to bottom when you go into the airport, and when you leave. Sometimes, we had our **** searched while waiting for the plane. As for the freedom of speech by saying you don't like it etc etc...that's out the door too. As an american, you didn't say **** to the guards because they frankly didn't give a rat's ass about your possessions or whatnot. And guess what, if you DID cause a scene, they'd haul your ass to jail (where you do NOT want to go) or just harass you long enough to miss your plane. Are we getting the picture yet that there's a much broader level of discrimination here? They don't LIKE americans, they never HAVE liked americans, and they aren't GOING to like americans. This is the majority of the muslim people (which means men most likely due to the fact that the women are one step away from slavery by some people's definition). This isn't for all btw, just a lot of them. Had some nice silverware my mom and dad got for their anniversary one year that was still in the box and wrapped up in the suitcases. Guess what happened when we hit customs in Dhahran? You got it! Customs said that it was illegal and they took it. Just like that. No ifs ands or buts, just took it. See aforementioned "you ain't saying **** to them" comment if you're asking what my parents did about it.
I think we can safely say that for those of you who think we're being racist...you have no fscking clue. Spend time over there and you'll get a big wakeup call, I guarantee you that.
And you know what else is good? Amidst all that ****, there was only ONE attempt on a Saudia Airlines plane in the entire time I ever flew with them (all 10 years). It was a guy on the plane saying he had a bomb...plane was landed (he's still saying he had a bomb) and when the "security" came in (with AK 47's), they beat the living crap out of him in front of everyone and drug him away to the tune of everyone cheering. We then took back off and had a very quiet ride...
We need to do that. We also need to close the borders except for Canada and Mexico. What? That'd be unfair to everyone, you say? Ok, make it so you have to have a visa to get into the country. Not a ****ing green card, not an H1B, a visa...because once again, in SA, you had to have a visa if you weren't muslim, or from/born there. And you only got a visa for BUSINESS, not tourism. You didn't GO there for vacation (apparent as to why, eh?).
Anyways, maybe now things will start changing...seems we have to have major crises happen before we wake the fsck up and realize we have a problem.
Well, I must admit, your reply did have several good points. The only downside to your comments that I have to make at this time is about the following quote:
I'm sixteen, and I've been flying since I was fourteen. There is nothing wrong with that. I read about this one girl who soloed at age nine. That's fine, if you have the proper training. And he snuck into the plane while the instructor was filing some paperwork or something.Quote:
There are simply way too many municipal airports and small airstrips to stand there and wave a gun in the face of everyone who wants to fly.
* Yes there is but letting 15 year olds solo bord a plane is rediculus. Again, where was the correct supervision? Dose a 15 year old takeing a solo fligh not frighten you?
--PhirePhreak *yawn*
"I'm sixteen, and I've been flying since I was fourteen.There is nothing wrong with that. "
- There's not as long as you've had the proper training and supervision. There should at least be 2 guards there. They need some sort of security other than encourageing them not to steal their aircraft. :D
"I read about this one girl who soloed at age nine. That's fine, if you have the proper training."
- Ok, I suppose it's good but I would just like to stress the emphasis on THE PROPER TRAINING
"And he snuck into the plane while the instructor was filing some paperwork or something. "
- That's why they need some sort of partoll man or guard.
Nice arguement though. ;)
Remote_Access_
To whoever it was that asked(while giving me negative antipoints) where I got my phd in psychology.
I dont have one. duh.. you ass
but, where the **** did you get your PHD in psychology, that you know enough, or are expert enough in the subject to question me about my opinion.
\with a bit of experience with kids/teenagers, you can begin to get an idea of how things work.
At a certain age, kids/teens generally begin to show disdainfor their parents, that is the way things normally are, for boys anyway.
But a proper parent can pretty much see through this, and get a general idea of what is going on inside the kids head. A teen that has suicidal tendencies, is definitely a noticeable thing. Obviously this kid did, unless you think that the kid was so ****ing stupid that he thought he could fly an airplane into a building, and walk away from the ****ing thing.
Any parent of a kid involved with something like this, whether it is flying an airplane into a building, or deciding that he/she wants to go out "in style" by shooting and bombing their classmates, is definitely at some level responsible for the actions of the kid. By law.
At the very lowest level, the parent is responsible in the following sense. A child, under the age of 18(in the US anyway) is not responsible by law. A child under 18 cannot enter into a legally binding contract. etc.. etc.. etc..
I have 0 respect for anyone that gives negative antipoints to someone because of an opinion. If I give bad advice, or answer a question with a completely false answer, or if I "FLAME" you for no good reason, thats fine, give me all the negative points you want, but if you give them just cause you dont like my opinion GO **** YOURSELF.
not that antipoints are a big deal, but, come one. this is a computer security site, oftent there are threads which are off topic, like this one, dole out positive or negative antipoints based on posts which are on topic.
I read somewhere that this kid was on some sort of acne medication that's been known to cause depression and suicide. Anyone else heard bout this? If this med story is true, then his parents might not have much (if any) advance warning signs. Well, just contributing what new knowledge I have found.
--PhirePhreak
When I heard this story on the news it reminded me of the time back in the 80's when a German kid got in a small plane, and flew over East Germany, Poland, and thru the USSR to crash in Red Square...
Now the Soviets had the most powerful Air Defense system ever created, and most of its power was ringed around Moscow, and quite a bit was deployed in Poland and East Germany, yet they could not stop that kid...
Just food for thought...
PS any Chem or Bio weapons brought on the plan would most likely have been vaporized by the impact. Before anyone asks, its my job to know that sort of thing...
By 'vaporized on impact', are you talking about the Red-square crash, the one in the news, or both?
In the news article, the tail of the plane looked relatively intact and unharmed. I can't seem to think of it in a sort of hollywood-esque ball of exploding flame. <shrug> It just doesn't look like it to this layman.
But what if the chem/bio stuff was stored in an aerosol form in a container? A metal container might well prevent the destruction of the material, and after the crash might leak...