i know this is WAYYYYY of ftopic, but, a comment given to me made me think of asking these questions
1. What do you think about the drug LSD.
2. Have you ever experienced it.
3. What do you know about it, history and use
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i know this is WAYYYYY of ftopic, but, a comment given to me made me think of asking these questions
1. What do you think about the drug LSD.
2. Have you ever experienced it.
3. What do you know about it, history and use
Timothy Leary loved it, but he's dead.
I've tried it and I know ALLOT of people that use it. Some believe it's helpful to lifting the mind but I don't see it.
anyone have any cool experiences or anything to share?
I was heavily into LSD a couple years ago during my high school years. The way I thought started changing even when I wasn't on it, and every now and them for quite a few months after I stopped, I would get little visuals out of no where. Nothing too extreme, but enough to be annoying. When you are on it you think at 100 miles an hour so complex thinking is easy to do, but easy thinking is hard. I have watched my friends under the influence when I was not on it, and they seemed like a bunch of idiots if you asked a simple question, but when you asked a complex one they blew my mind with their indepth answer.
LSD is not good for your body. It is a chemical that really messes with your senses (hence the trips). If you are going to experiment with LSD or any drug for that matter, at least do it responsibly. I believe it is your body, and you should be able to do whatever you want with it as long as you are NOT putting anyone else in danger. DONT DRIVE ON THAT STUFF!
For more educational info on LSD, or any other drug check out: www.erowid.org
yes definetally dont drive.......definetally
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Well I wouldn't mess around with the heavy psychological drugs if I were you. You never know what's you limit, and quite a few who took to much of this got psychological problems afterwards.
And sometimes the problems aren't directly related to the use of drugs. Many times it's the drug users way of life that crack you up. It can be hard to relate to 'normal' people when all you do is hang around with people that do drugs. And it will put som extra heat on you if you feel you've 'fallen out of society'.
LSD is dangerous cause it has those "after trips" even if you do not use it for a long period visuals could appear, like jared_c said.
This "little visuals" could show up even 10 years after you took the drug... You all say that you shouldn't drive and use drug together, but how do you know when the little visuals come?
Let's say 10 years later, you are driving your car at the highway and suddenly you "see" a big dog on the road, you make a move to avoid the dog and before you know your car is "redesigned".
See my point?
The "flashback" side affect is pure myth.
Albert Hofmann synthesized LSD.
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Dosage:
Oral
Threshhold- 10-50 ug
Mild- 50-100 ug
Medium- 100-250 ug
Strong- 250-500 ug
"Saturation Dose"- 500-1000ug and up
A "standard" dose is canonically held to be 100 mcg, but the average "hit" sold today is typically around 50-75 mcg according to DEA analyses, in contrast with what are believed to be much higher doses (around 250 mcg) when LSD first appeared on the black market in the late 1960s
Smoked
Despite persistent uninformed reports of "pot laced with LSD", LSD cannot be smoked. It is destroyed by heat.
I myself have "triped" on various other psycadelic drugs and I have never had a flashback.
hehe don't drive man!
actually i believe that LSD is the least harmfull drug to the body, the mind is really the only thing it affects
another thing... i havent had any flashbacks either... i think its just a psychosomatic thing.
I definitely believe the flashbacks are real depending on what your definition of a flash back is and how much LSD you have done in a certain amount of time.
I used to have a pretty big supply back in the day and was taking about 3 hits a day for a week straight, then i dropped it down to tripping about twice a week for a few months. When I stopped doing LSD all together every now and then I would get a quick blur come and go and my eyes were more sensitive to certain patterns. Like there was a carpet with this funky pattern on it in the local wendy's and it used to seem like it was moving a bit, like one of those optical illusions that make you see movement when it really isn't there. That kind of stuff only happened when I stopped doing LSD. Again, it was nothing major, but just slight optical illusions type stuff that would happen every now and then. After a few months of not doing LSD it stopped happening.
I consider that a flash back. If you consider a flash back seeing purple monkeys popping out of nowhere and then disappearing, then no I haven't had a flash back :)
I haven't heard of anyone who actually got a flashback either. But drug use could trigger a phsycosis, and that's something like a long nasty flashback. That said, a phsycosis could be triggered by a divorce or the death of a relative also. Anyway, you would need a shrink afterwards to get you on your feet again.
If you don't know what the symptoms of a heavy phsycosis, I tell you it's the symptoms of a typical nutcase. You know, those people who barricade their house because they think somebody's out to get them, or they think it's war outside. Really paranoid, no contact with the real world.
But this happens very rarely. If you intend to end up like this, I believe long-time use of amphetamine is the best way.
Here's a link to erowid.org's LSD information section:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd.shtml
Some really good stuff there. I hate methamphetamine's, they would turn me into a hyper crazy guy. But I had some really good times with ecstacy back in the day. But e drastically changes your way of thinking. That is a whole nother topic though. :)
A friend of mine spent 2 years doing acid, he got flashbacks for about 5 years afterwards
I've never tried it but he was really anti-social during those 2 years.
yea, e does change your way of thinking... jesus.......
i had some rather strange experiences on that....
Ahhhhhhh LSD those were the days! The thing I remember most about my LSD induced days were the clarity of thinking. As many might agree. No problem could not be solved. I remember one trip where for the majority of it I was in theology mode and was working on the concept of God. No problem. LoL. I had it all worked out, I was telling myself (and others!) that when I came down I would tell the world about my new found views and so on, I had cracked the enigma of God. When I did come down though, these ground breaking concepts had flown the roost. They were no more. Another time I set my tape recorder going and jumped behind the trusty turntables and spun a few tunes. At the time I thought the mix set was the best ever, hands down better than the best Dj's in the world. The thing was when I listened to the tape a few days later I realised it was totally ****! :) Thats the thing about LSD it takes an instant in tiime or a concept and expands it into a million possibilities all of which you can think on at once. Only thing is to the outside world its meaningless. Now if the whole world were on LSD THAT would be another matter.....
ps To quote South Park 'Dont do drugs, drugs r bad mmmmmmmmmmm'kay?
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1. Well used properly (hardly at al that is) it´s fun and can even be educational (as in getting to learn yourself) But always keep in mind that you have to be honest with yourself, if you don´t feel good don´t do it. Also people with a weak psyche should also keep away from it.
2. Yup, kick ass drug
3. Well you can read about the history almost everywhere. However, there seems to be alot of contradicting info out there, especially concerning the military experiments but I´ll try to get what´s stated here right. Here comes the very short one.
1938 the first lsd saw the light of the day in Switzerland but it was not untill early 1943 Hoffman actualy gets "exposed" to it. Later the same year he intentionally tries it again at an controlled doasage. (250ug) Hoffman continues to use lsd for the rest of his life (but at an lesser and lesser extent)
Supposedly CIA´s first experiments with the drug started in 1951 but didn´t "get going" until 1953 in the MK-Ultra project. At the same time lsd is being introduced into the medical world and is used in treatment of alcoholics. How long the drug was used in a medical sence I don´t know either but a rough guess would be somewhere in the 70's.
It´s however not until early 60's (around -63) that lsd hits the streets and this is in the form of sugar cubes. (liquid acid absorbed by the cubes)
In the 70's the blotters come and here in europe these are still the most common ones.
I don´t know when gel tabs showed up but since I´ve never seen any here I don´t realy care. ;)
i dont trust gel-tabs. blotters or liquid are usually the most pure... its either LSD, or water usually...key word
usually
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stop posting multiple times, saying nothing each time
Keep in mind that it is unpredictable. You can use
it many times, and think you know what to expect,
but then it can surprise you.
The 2nd thing is that you become sensitive to environment,
and very open to suggestion. You start out in a good mood,
but something wierd comes down and you can't get it out
of your mind.
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I have had friends that have had flash backs up 4 years later after doing the drug. Granted they were on it probably two to three times a week but either way a green horse is still a green horse especially when you haven't done anything for a while.
In neo platonic duelistic thought they divide knowledge into two groups,universal and particulars.
Particular knowledge is anything than can be expressed with logic or even sensed(sight,sound ,smell,etc,etc)
Universal knowledge on the other hand cannot be expressed thru logic or attained with the senses. It must come thru "revelation"
In the "beat-nic" era abstract art was very popular. The reason was that some poeple believed that abstract art could communicate "universal" concepts. Thats what was meant when an art lover could "see" the picture. The viewer was somehow liberated from the limits of "particular" thought and could then grasp "universal" concepts.
Tripping on acid or mushrooms also eliminated the boundries established by "particular" thought. it placed you in a world that you could redefine using "universal" concepts.
Sythenesia is when you "hear" colours and "smell" sounds.
Hmmmm LSD I ain't familiar with but E thats a different matter I spent quite a while doing it and Ket (ketamine) together and that was more than trippy enough for me - I also seem to get weird visuals now even when I've stopped, like colours changing objects appearing blurry or fuzzy that kind of thing....anyone had similar experiences with E/Ket
ive had some... hallucinations due to E... thought my ex GF was sitting next to me.... but it ended up not being her.... and being something that diddent exist
I have had some crazy experiences with LSD...I use to use it for recreation and then it became spiritual..
1)4 of us took some LSD and where galavanting about the house being stupid all in our own ways..on different floors...staring at different walls, swiming in different carpet and scareing ourselves in the mirror in the bathroom..When one by one we found ourselves all in the same room..we for some unknown reason all sat in a circle lit a candle (this will be hard to explain)and started to play a game with each other..We had never discussed rules or even really spoken until later aout it..The game was..I don't know...kinda like someone would start and lets say scratch there nose..Then that was passed to the next person who would make some other gesture and so on and so on..NOW you have to remember this game was never a REA:L game...but we all knew what to do and who was next and what was really crazy is when someone messed up they knew it as did everybody else all at the same time...And remember this is all without saying a word....
I will comment more if peeps read and are interested
Geeee it sure is nice to see that it's not just the drug threads I am in that get closed :mad:
LSD is great for SOME people. In my opinion it is WAY to unpredictable. Also, those flash backs..... You do realise thats because a little drop can make you insane right?
I won't try acid. My best friend however loves it. He was taking 8 hits at once just to get a body buzz because he had so much. He had like half a 2 litre bottle full of acid.
I refuse to do something that does nothnig more than make you insane for 12 hours. If I want to expand my mind, I'll smoke Opium. Which is 500x safer. Acid is NOT the safest drug for your body. Opium does NOTHING to your organs like people think it does, and it does NOT cloud your mind, or give you flash backs.
It does however make you feel wonderful. Acid is way to dangerouse in my opinion. My friend drank a vile of it and tripped for 3 weeks. Watching your friend tie rope around his neck because "It seems fun" Is bullshit.
I don't even smoke pot, but I would do that again before Acid. **** I'd do heroin before Acid. It's just WAY to unpredictable. If you want some nice visuals, do heroin, and close your eyes. One of the things with Opiates is, not only do they feel amazing, but when you close your eyes, you dream.
Not hallucinate, but dream. But, some people have said after smoking very potent Opium, that they see things. For example, someone smoked Opium and then went to a play. They said the ceiling seemed to come to life with diamonds and gems and shine like the stars.
*Wonders how long this thread will take to be closed now that I have replied.*
Now I think psycilociben is the way to go since it comes naturally from the earth ..It was put best by Terrance Mckenna..
History is ending because the dominator culture has led the human species into a blind alley, and as the inevitable chaostrophie approaches, people look for metaphors and answers. Every time a culture gets into trouble it casts itself back into the past looking for the last sane moment it ever knew. And the last sane moment we ever knew was on the plains of Africa 15,000 years ago rocked in the cradle of the Great Horned Mushroom Goddess before history, before standing armies, before slavery and property, before warfare and phonetic alphabets and monotheism, before, before, before. And this is where the future is taking us because the secret faith of the twentieth century is not modernism, the secret faith of the twentieth century is nostalgia for the archaic, nostalgia for the paleolithic, and that gives us body piercing, abstract expressionism, surrealism, jazz, rock-n-roll and catastrophe theory. The 20th century mind is nostalgic for the paradise that once existed on the mushroom dotted plains of Africa where the plant-human symbiosis occurred that pulled us out of the animal body and into the tool-using, culture-making, imagination-exploring creature that we are. And why does this matter? It matters because it shows that the way out is back and that the future is a forward escape into the past. This is what the psychedelic experience means. Its a doorway out of history and into the wiring under the board in eternity. And I tell you this because if the community understands what it is that holds it together the community will be better able to streamline itself for flight into hyperspace because what we need is a new myth, what we need is a new true story that tells us where we're going in the universe and that true story is that the ego is a product of pathology, and when psilocybin is regularly part of the human experience the ego is supressed and the supression of the ego means the defeat of the dominators, the materialists, the product peddlers. Psychedelics return us to the inner worth of the self, to the importance of the feeling of immediate experience - and nobody can sell that to you and nobody can buy it from you, so the dominator culture is not interested in the felt presence of immediate experience, but that's what holds the community together. And as we break out of the silly myths of science, and the infantile obsessions of the marketplace what we discover through the psychedelic experience is that in the body, IN THE BODY, there are Niagras of beauty, alien beauty, alien dimensions that are part of the self, the richest part of life. I think of going to the grave without having a psychedelic experience like going to the grave without ever having sex. It means that you never figured out what it is all about. The mystery is in the body and the way the body works itself into nature. What the Archaic Revival means is shamanism, ecstacy, orgiastic sexuality, and the defeat of the three enemies of the people. And the three enemies of the people are hegemony, monogamy and monotony! And if you get them on the run you have the dominators sweating folks, because that means your getting it all reconnected, and getting it all reconnected means putting aside the idea of separateness and self-definition through thing-fetish. Getting it all connected means tapping into the Gaian mind, and the Gaian mind is what we're calling the psychedelic experience. Its an experience of the living fact of the entelechy of the planet. And without that experience we wander in a desert of bogus ideologies. But with that experience the compass of the self can be set, and that's the idea; figuring out how to reset the compass of the self through community, through ecstatic dance, through psychedelics, sexuality, intelligence, INTELLIGENCE. This is what we have to have to make the forward escape into hyperspace.
I think they only kill the thead when it digresses into name calling and out right threats. :rolleyes:
Personally I hate drugs because my body instinctively fights their effects and I get bored easily with nothing to concentrate on. But Terrance was cool and I find his theory's on ancient drug cultures interesting. Too bad the dude had to die from brain cancer. :(
Na, the Ganja thread in GCC was closed without one bad word. And most of mine are without any threats or flames.
It takes a strong mind to deal with acid. That drug can take you wonderfull or terrible places. Its kinda like what you take in with you is what you can get out of it. (If that makes any sense)Quote:
Originally posted here by gore
Geeee it sure is nice to see that it's not just the drug threads I am in that get closed :mad:
LSD is great for SOME people. In my opinion it is WAY to unpredictable. Also, those flash backs..... You do realise thats because a little drop can make you insane right?
I won't try acid. My best friend however loves it. He was taking 8 hits at once just to get a body buzz because he had so much. He had like half a 2 litre bottle full of acid.
Yeah that makes sense, if you are prone to dark thinking and dreaming it may intensify that and open it up to all your demons?
My friend has an LSD buddy. It's a green tree frog that talks.
Lsot a car because of LSD, friend of mine was barrowing it, saw a burning fridge in the middel of the streat, thaught it was a flashback, to prove to himeself that it was a flash back he tried t odrive trough it....wasn't a flash back.
WTF??? So there was a burning fridge on the road??
Never tried LSD and never want to, but I have tried alot of the others. Most intense one was peote. That was very very deep and intense. Was offered mescale a while after that, but it is purified peote, and to be truethfull, I didn't think I could handle it, so I turned it down.
Basically, I don't like drugs for myself. Don't like losing control I guess. I don't like to see others misuse drug either, but if they are not hurting anyone but themselves, it is not my concern.
He was on the south side of chicago picking up drugs. In my few trips into that are I have seen roads barokaded with burning couches, it seems that gangs just randomly set houshoald items on fire to form roadblocks.Quote: