AntiPoint Icons

Being the stickler for screen-real-estate that I am, I would suggest putting the read directly over or under the line containing the modify-date... (I run in 800x600 because I don't like straining to read tiny itty bitty text and icons)

Anyway, that's just me. I've got some possible icons to represent "Percent Positive Antipoints", "Percent Negative Antipoints" and "Total Antipoints"... I might just set up Proxomitron to replace the text with them.... hmmm. That would be neat. :)

EDIT:
Neat, I got it working! Here's a screenshot of how it looks with two different icon schemes... Whoops, need a new post to do that.

My Home-Grown-Make-AO-Like-You-Want-It screenshot. Proxomitron rewrites the Antipoint stats, images are on my hard drive

EDIT:
I swear, I'm thinking of all this out of a subconscious desire not to go to bed... but tomorrow... I could set it to take the numerical percentage values, and then have two images, a red and a green gradient, put them next to each other, and have them have different horizontal dimensions according to the percentage... graphical representation! Whee!

Damn. I'm sorry for putting all this here, it's terribly off topic... but I really will go to bed now... It's tough. I'm enthused at the moment. Here's the last pic for tonight, with the bar-scheme. Green for positive, red for negative, and it shows the relative size.

Good idea. I think I will wote for the icons instead of the bars, because my first thought is they're gonna consume less bandwith. I suppose you could make a script that fixed the bars though. At least there shouldn't be lots of different pictures for the different bars. That's gonna slow the site down a whole lot, at least for the modem users.

I also want a nice & clean interface, so make it happen.....

the barrs don't necceserily consume more bandwidth then the icons..
and especialy with the animated emoties and avatars, I think them barrs (wich I think look neater) will work...

thx for the posts..

Oh, hey, JP moved it to it's own thread. :P

Well, the bars actually are smaller than the icons, I believe. This is because I have a red bar, green bar, and black bar. Each one has the dimensions of 100x1 pixels. In other words, 100 pixels wide, one high. That equates to 100 pixels, whereas the icons are more like 15x15 or 20x20, meaning that they are closer to 225 or 400 pixels.

The bars are actually STRETCHED by the browser to certain dimensions. Whether they are significantly smaller... I'll check the filesize when I get home. The icons were 22-color GIFs with a transparent component, but the bars were jpeg. I'm pretty sure I can squeeze them down to something small by sacrificing a near-undetectable amount of detail. (perhaps without sacrificing detail at all.)

Any other ideas on stuff to tinker with changing? Anyone want the proxomitron filter information and/or the images so they can do it themselves?

Just to clarify, these are just things I'm tinkering with once I realized I could do some small re-writes to the site before the html got to my browser in order to, in a sense, customize my browsing experience. JP isn't currently involved, I'm just messing around with ideas on my own.

You have really been busy with Proxomitron... Looks very neat. :cool:
EDIT: I also like the bars more.

I'd like to see also the mood indicator with pictures - it could use these :):D:( & others what we already have got here.
EDIT: And it would be good if the mood was editable in this writing screen, otherwise one (at least I...) forgets to change it frequently enough.

-ZeroOne :cool:

How about an icon for "groups" of green dots? Example: instead of Terr having 7 green dots he has "any icon that represent 5 dots" and two green dots

My vote is for the bars.

Hmmmm I think you misunderstood me.....I was referring to the antipoint icons.. Terr's bars are to reflect your antipoint % totals

the bars look much better, and they fit in with the site design (notice everything is in bars, no curves except smilies and avatars...which have square boarders)

Damn, I had a bunch written out, and lost it by clicking on the attachment. Hm.

Since I can't do arithemetical functions in Proxomitron, the combined width of the bars will always add up to 100 pixels. But I figure that even then, it takes up less space (horizontal AND vertical) than the text-equivalent does.

As for the mood icons... possible. The trick is finding the right icons to express the mood, most of the common ones will be easy. All you'd really need to do is save the icons as a image with the mood-string being the filename... and you wouldn't need much in terms of multiple-matches.

What about a graphical representation of the antipoint level? A little gradient, from red to green, with little indicator on it... It would take... what? Nine images? Even, slightly (pos/neg), Positive, Negative, Very (pos/neg), Extremely (pos/neg). Maybe the "Extremely" images, or at least the negative one, could be very eye-catching, to help people see those posts which might be suffering from antipoint-bashing...

As for the antipoints above the user name, that could be a bit trickier, I'm not sure. It doesn't seem quite so necessary.

Unless JP changes the site itself, all of the images are on the user's hard-drive, so bandwidth and filesize wouldn't really be that much of an issue, would it? The real issue, I think, is processor time. With a long thread with big posts, the proxomitron might have to sort through a lot of text before finally passing the page over to your browser. Dear lord! Wouldn't it be perfect if Opera had some agreement with the Proxomitron guys to INTEGRATE the pattern-matching-and-editing functionality into the browser!? I'm gonna suggest it to them right now!

Okay, here's a shot of the Antipoint-post-level in action. It has discrete levels for:

Even
Somewhat Positive
Somewhat Negative
Positive
Negative
Very Positive
Very Negative
Extremely Positive
Extremely Negative

Nine images in all, each about 1,177 bytes. I could optimize it a bit more, but that would mean more inserted html junk, some table stuff, and myriad other tiny adjustments to get it to look just right.

I'm going to put off working on the moods until the mood categories are a little more established.

This is sensational - I like your work. :)

My vote would be for the bars to represent how many AntiPoints a user has given out and also that bar representing the user's own AntiPoints is wicked!!

Greg

I like the bar, but just another idea I thought up, what about like a semi-circle indicator? I've tried to draw up a basic diagram (attached below) of what it could look like - I haven't got no where near the graphic design capabilities of you Terr! :)

It would be like the bar you created, indicating how much AntiPoints a user has. Imagine in the semi-circle it fading from red (left) to green (right) exactly how your bar is - I would have put it in, except...well, I don't have the faintest idea how to. :)

Greg

Uhm, thanks. Well, if it was a semicircle it would take up more space vertically (in order to be readable) and it would also increase the overall amount a user needed to download, since the pointer can't be divorced from the background colors and shown seperately.

Hmm.... Animated GIFs would be overkill, wouldn't they...

OK, I've been bored, so I've figured out how to do this gradient thingy (fading in from red to green) and here is a better representation of what I had in mind. Keep in mind I have NO graphic design skills, so it could probably be done better.

(Fingers crossed, hopefully it'll attach this time!)

Greg

EDIT: Ah bugger it, this damn attach isn't working for me - starting to give me the s**ts. Yeah, I guess it would take up more room and harder to make, guess I'll just have to put up with your bar Terr. HEHE - just kidding, the bar is sensational.

Greg

Now that I think of it - Why have two bars for displaying the percentage of given antipoints? The total sums up to 100 anyways, right? Try using the bar you're using right now for the antipoints-level of a post, with underneath written the total of points given (I don't really like the (t)-icon) - let's see how that looks..

Yeah, I considered various things, like putting the red and green ap percentage bars right next to each other... But I don't want to extend the width of the non-content cell containing the avatar and stuff too much if I can help it. In IE, nobody would notice a difference, but in Opera...

I'll mess with it later, mayhap.

Greetings All:

Well, I talked it over with Terr, and he made me up the graphics necessary to do the gradient image for the "antipoint level of this post is". I just got done programming it in, and it looks great! Thanks Terr.

I'll leave this thread open so everyone can discuss terr's other gradient image ideas.

neat i'll vote for the bars..... :)

The bars for the pos/neg antipoints given sounds great too. Perhaps (too save space and such) it could be a single bar, fixed width, with red and green sections varying in length to show percentages. Total should probably remain the way it is.

Yeah, I'm already working on tweaking it around like that... This is what I have so far. The slider on the "User tends to assign" part is directly related to the percentages normally shown, so it basically moves in 1-pixel increments. This is all using information or text already on the default page. (Except for the images themselves, of course)

almost exactly what I was thinking, though it fits the site a bit better than my idea. Great work, keep it up ;)

Greetings:

Terr, I love the example that you attached in post 23. See if you can make it happen looking like that, and I'd be happy to implement it!

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Originally posted by JP
Greetings:

Terr, I love the example that you attached in post 23. See if you can make it happen looking like that, and I'd be happy to implement it!

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These are all screenshots of a working implementation. :D

I'm wondering if the indicator for the User-tends-to-assign bar should be somehow different... I'm afraid people will mix the two up. (the user-bar is slightly wider than the post-bar, due to the way I have to handle displaying the percentages)

Maybe have the little arrow below it, pointing up? Two arrows, below and above, pointing to the center?

Minor suggestion as a corollary to this... When viewing the recent posts by a user (from the magnifying glass by their handle), what about showing the AP-level of each of the posts? It would certainly help to highlight situations such as a systematic AP attack on the user. (Or an AP you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours situation, for that matter.)

Also a great Idea.....

Thx Terr

OK, the "User tends to assign" bar seems to be working. Excellent, except that now we don't know how many points they have given out? Someone seemed to assign only negative points, but he was an AO newbie, so he probably had given only one or two points... So at least make the ALT-text of the image tell the number of given out -AntiPoints, please?

I think JP forgot about it when he was updating the code to show the graphics, my latest version screenshot (last attachment I posted) showed the number of posts.

Greetings:

Since we've added these icons, I'm going to go ahead and close this thread.