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This site is full of the biggest lamers I have ever seen. This site is cool, but we have to fliter out all the stupid little kids that that think they are hackers before it get out of hand. If we dont do this soon this place will just be an other **** hacking/Security site full of lamer kids talking ****. Im not saying that im a hacker, but I do know some Security stuff. Im just saying we need to put a stop to lamers before this site turns to ****.
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System_Overload
The best way to learn is to get involved. That's all that needs said.
Yeah... Thats what im saying..... We should at least set up somekind of system of booting accounts.... Say if a person has more than 200 negative antipoints boot them.... Or somethign to that effect :) But all this said... You cant say JP didnt do a good job doing just that in the time AntiOnline has been up :)
I agree but most lamers don't KNOW they're lamers so there is really no way to get rid of them. Most of them think they're "1337" lol.
lol @ Shangrila... Your right it's sad but ture most of them dont know. Check this idea out. There should be an entry level test that new members have to pass to be able to join the forums. If they dont pass the test they can only post threads on the newbie forum untill they can pass the entry level test. What do you think about that?
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System_Overload
Yes Jp has done a really nice job on this site. That why we are all members here, but at the same time this place is getting more popular day by day. Thats why we need to make it a bigger challenge to become a member. If we dont do this soon lamers will take over...
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System_Overload
Yes,I Sort of agree with you guys on how these kids would have to take tests to join the forums.You are right about that but it seems like an alright site to me
-Nabisco
You say you sort of agree with us. What do you mean by that? Just asking I really dont fully understand your post... (((sorry)))
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System_Overload
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This site is full of the biggest lamers I have ever seen. This site is cool, but we have to fliter out all the stupid little kids that that think they are hackers before it get out of hand. If we dont do this soon this place will just be an other **** hacking/Security site full of lamer kids talking ****. Im not saying that im a hacker, but I do know some Security stuff. Im just saying we need to put a stop to lamers before this site turns to ****.
I agree with you System_Overload this site has it's fare share of lamers. But it's not as bad as www.hackers.com or elitehackers.com orwww.neworder.box.sk those sites are full of real lamers script kiddys whackers etc.....www.antionline.com This is ( One of the best sites) I've seen on the internet. Ask anyone else they'll say the same-thing. The members are what keep this site up and running the owner(JP) knows that so does all (60,000+MEMBERS) JP keep up the great work I hope you take some of these people's idea into consideration.
I sorta agree also. I'll try to explane it so
that you can comprehend what I'm saying.
There's quite a few ppl here that know
what they're talking about but not every
one here is a 'lamer'. Do you mind useing
a different term other than 'lamer'? I hate
that !@#!@%$ word.. just refer to them as
script kiddies like everyone else dose and
delete that word from your vocabulary.
It's not just this site that has script kiddies.
You'll always find people like that on damn
near every security site you visit. If you really
want to help out and get rid of 'em try teaching
them something about security.. That way
you and every one else don't have to hear
the same questinos from them over and over
and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over.
Remote_Access_
In other areas of society it is the same for those with deep misgivings about themselves and possessing a small self image. Consider those with the "coolest" bike or stereo or toys or car etc. People feeling a need to be self important latch onto an object or ability from which to look down on others.
In the computer world, it seems to be simple. Get a computer, load an os and some downloaded tools and try to impress others with the new "power" this confers. Sad.
:(
So let me get this straight, if someone comes to AO looking for information, they will be turned away because they r not smart enough? Thats fair.
Or if someone comes to AO trying to learn more, then they can only post to the newbie forum? Wooah, thats fair too.
Ignore the kiddies.
:)
@System_Overload :
please can you explain what do you mean with entry level test ??
or better what's your suggestion...
cheers,
My suggestion is to make a simple entry level test to weed out the scripter kiddies. Im not saying that only smart people can post threads. I just think there should be basic entry level test. If they cant pass the test that does not mean they are a scripter kiddie. That just says that your not ready for the other forums. Learn the basic stuff in the newbie forum then take the test again. When you pass the test the you may join the other forums.
Picture this... You have a 5 year old kid. Your going to put him/her in school. Are you going to put your kid in Pre-K with the rest of the new students, or are you going to put your kid in the 9th grade with kids twice his/her age and school work way over there head??? No your going to put them in Pre-K.
We should use the same system here. This way the newbies are not over there heads, and the more adv. people dont have to deal with dumb newbie questions if they dont want to.
Any ways it is just an idea...
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System_Overload
It's obvious you don't have any children(hopefully). As far as a test, I agree only senior AO members should be able to post, but that leaves you out?? Everybody has a right to post and no question is stupid(I'm sure you know the quote) You are not a true AO member if you don't get this
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Use the tools you already have available.Quote:
Originally posted by System_Overload
My suggestion is to make a simple entry level test to weed out the scripter kiddies. This way the newbies are not over there heads, and the more adv. people dont have to deal with dumb newbie questions if they dont want to.
At the top of each post, there is a button that says
"ignore" which means "add <this user> to your ignore list.
Problem solved.
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I have a question for you System.....
If you cut off all of the newbs out there from gather information and being non-newbs, then how are they going to become non-newbs?
Think of it as a river of knowledge that people are constantly drinking out of. All of the newbs are at the bottom of the river while all of the 1337 people and sites are at the top. Now what if we dam that flow of knowledge, or water. Then no more knowledge will be flowing down the stream to the newbs. And you KNOW that more and more come to the bottom of the streem by the mili-second. If we do this then we will have a EXTREMELY conjested and packed down stream, along with our inboxes overflowing with questions like, "how do i hack hotmail?"
Think about it.
What you show:
"Test to weed out script kiddies."
What they see:
"A way to prove your uber-l33tness!"
Uhm... no. Any sort of 'proving ground' inevitably draws the young-and-enthusiastic-but-attitude-problematic.
I'm also against Antipoint-based kicks or anything. Too much power for such a fickle system.
This site is full of the biggest lamers I have ever seen. This site is cool, but we have to fliter out all the stupid little kids that that think they are hackers before it get out of hand. If we dont do this soon this place will just be an other **** hacking/Security site full of lamer kids talking ****. Im not saying that im a hacker, but I do know some Security stuff. Im just saying we need to put a stop to lamers before this site turns to ****.
People have been saying the same thing ever since I got here. There is nothing you can do about it but make them feel not welcome and hope they move on.
I thought Lamer was my word to use, o well just don't take the FRANK N BEANS!
As much as I hate to say it, I agree that this site is loaded with lamers, and it brings the overall quality of the site down. However, I don't think there is any kind of regulation or testing that can remedy this problem and still be reasonable. The best thing that can be done is to educate those who can be saved, and put up with those who can't (or flame them the hell out :bigsmile: ).
I really don't think you should waste your time worrying about this, seeing as you have virtually no power to change it. Your only real hope would be to convince JP of your idea. Getting members' opinions is really a waste. As much as many of us like to think this site is a republic, it isn't. Like it or not, JP doesn't have to listen to our suggestions on how to run this site. AntiPoints have proven that many times (the system DOES seem to be improving, though). Luckily, he's kind enough to let us voice our opinions, and generally consider them with an open mind. Some of us need to be more thankful for that.
If you want to exercise what power you DO have to change this, use what you know, and post. Contribute meaningfully to good threads, and create meaningful new threads. For those of us who are desperate for intelligent conversation, it will be a great relief. It will also help to shorten the lifespan of meaningless threads, and therefore limiting the power of those of us who think that Windows is actually a good operating system. ;) If you want a good thread to start, do a tutorial on good Linux distributions for beginners, the ups and downs of each, the ups and downs of Linux in general, and how to install each distro. This would be a great weapon to use against those awful "which distro" threads which I'm so horribly sick and tired of answering.
Unfortunately, lamers are a fact of the forums. No matter what we do, there is nothing we can do to get rid of them without being total Nazis about it. Dumb threads will pop up now and again. The firewall questions will always be there. The hack Hotmail questions will always be there. The best thing us simple members can do is answer them in one reply, and let them go afterwards. If somebody has the initiative, maybe they can suggest to JP that he get a person to moderate the forums, and remove all threads that are stupid. We can still have our fun, but crap like what people like Eating_Scarlett post needs to go. A moderator to clean that trash up would be a much needed relief to the forums. As much as I despise his iron fist, I think Louie would be just about perfect for this job.
You all bring up good points. Now that im really thinking about it. Putting up a test would not be such a good idea. For one it is almost like the cyberarmy.com's Zebulun. I have been a member there for 3 years, and I know how easy it is to cheat. Im going to go with freeOn idea and just Lame newbies not make them feel welcome, and if that does not work maybe we could look into some other options to make them go away and never come back... lildevil:
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System_Overload
stflook that was the longest and best relpy I have seen today... :thumbsup:
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System_Overload
A lot of people just keep an eye on Antionline and do little or no posting.
There seems to be alot of Guests that is just looking around.
A number of users are System Admins like myself.
I keep an eye on a number of security sites not just Antionline
In a lot of cases I have kept the "Crackers" at bay from the
servers that I maintain just by lurking around...
I admit some of my posts are Lame, but we all need a laugh now and then....
But how do you determin a Lamer ?
Maybe this Lamer need some help in something in computer security...
Who knows...
I say a lamer is a person that says he/she is a hacker, but yet turns around the next day and asks how to hack into hot mail......
stflook has spoken well to this issue. The problem won't go away so develop coping mechanisms.
I'll tell you a couple of things worse than tolerating lamers on discussion boards.
1) You go to one of your favorite store that sells computer or electronic products. You are involved in a discussion with one of the senior guys there about something and - here he comes! <hey man can you get me some xxxxxx> Your heart sinks. The salesguy knows he is a loser but he's gotta help him. You wait while overhearing snippets like <yeah well I know a LOT about computers dude> <oh yeah well I'm a networking guru> etc.
2) You are at a business expo or computer type show and larry lamer comes up <hey do you know anything about this?> You look desperately for an escape, even briefly considering diving into one of the large display units. <yeah well I work at xyz and we did zzzzz with that zzzzz.> It goes on <Say where do you work,, you now I think I know someone there...>
3) You are called by someone you know who hs just been informed by a wannabee that everything you were trying to tell them to fix their system is wrong and he sure sounded like he knew what he was talking about......
Sorry system_OVERLOAD i was half asleep at the time but what i meant was that people should have to take a test to be a member of this page.(Im not exactly a person who can get my thoughts on paper)
You are all lamers, hence the stupid thread, work away fools, nobody cares.
Put NH on ignore everyone his promise to have a new attitude and his past apoligies have been negated by him realising that he will never have any respect here as long as he maintains this kind of attitude. Here is his public apology he was shamed into giving:
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...752#post448752
NobleHamlet I take it you are now retracting said apology?
The apology was false and hollow, like you.
An empty formula is an apt name.
I agree with stflook !
The best thing we can do is to live with the problem and educate those interested in learning. Moderated forums and read only forums would maybe be a good idea, but educate and ignore bad users are probably the best way to go.