~*~*Carnivore More Powerful*~*~

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Among the capabilities that peek out from behind all the indelible black swaths in the documents is an ability to reconstruct an entire Web page as viewed by a subject. A planned, updated version may even be able to capture voice-over-Web communications. Presently the system can capture and record all packet traffic to and from a selected IP, while monitoring a subject's on-line movements.

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Well isnt this just nice. . . Carnivore is more powerful than 1st believed. Whats next. . . . a system that can use your moniter as a webcam? to take images of you!? Here is the full article. Its pretty interesting. Give me some comments on this article. What do you guys think about this program?

http://www.securitynews.org/cgi-bin/...t/1/13767.html

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This is really stupid, not only are the readin e-mails, now theyr reading every thing.....
Hey, did you know that you screen emits signals that can be picked up an decoded, inotherwords, Wireless remote viewing, I'll get back to you on than tough.....

Nice post.... Crapy program......

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propaganda. That's my take on this whole thing. Carnivore would almost be more valuable if it didn't really exist. Ya know?

You have a point KorpDeath. As for the screen thing that Noia is speaking of. . . . i've never heard that before. Whats your source for this information? Just curious.

Rogue> I think my company is helping to develop this softwear to keep me out of irc ;)

Noia> I believe the system is called Tempest. The system to read the electomagnetic waves off a computer screen. There are programs designed to work around a tempest system, and flat panel monitors can not be read that way (at least not yet....)

Your probably right Korp. Don't spend the money trying to write the program, just let everyone think you are going to do it. It's like the movie clerks..."If people see money sitting on the counter with no one watching, they assume that there is a hidden camera watching them."

How do I turn my computer off? I hit the button but its still on. How many drivers can my output device take?

Rogue>

rr.sans.org/encryption/TEMPEST.php Intro to tempest.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Tempest+Monitors Lots of tempest links.

sorry to admit it but souleam and Noia are right,
it is extremely possible to capture and decode em waves coming out of ANY electronic devices !
check this out:

http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/tempest.html


this is why all sensitive federal office are shielded whith double windows and have special coating ...
yet you can always verify this unig a google search...

Wow. . . interesting stuff. Wonder who all uses this technology. FBI, CIA, etc.?

its amazing the stuff governments will do in the name of national security
just goes to show that we need to encrypt more and more!
have u guys heard a bout a prog called trillian?? u will find it easier to use since it combines all chat progs into one

It's starting to scare me, what we might have to do to maintain our privacy. Remember how I once said that I felt it would be up to hackers to save the world at some point? If this program ever comes into existance, this might be it...

SSJVegeta-Sei

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If this program ever comes into existance...

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What does this look like to you? http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/deployments.html
This doesn't even include Echelon, which is just as bad in a different way.

Want something else interesting, check out http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivor...eproposal.html This is a part of carnivore, I believe. It talks about being able to tap ____and____. We can assume one is modems, but the other? Fax? Voice? Cable? Who knows. There is a LOT of stuff blacked out if the FOIA files.

seriously scary stuff :( if its not bad enough living in the uk where we have like cctv EVERYWHERE now what I do on the computer is going to be completely monitored as well >_<;

oh and drone to switch off your computer go to run and type command formatt c:\ then hit Y :D

v_Ln

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Originally posted here by mmoehring
its amazing the stuff governments will do in the name of national security
just goes to show that we need to encrypt more and more!

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IMO, encryption will only hinder the FBI's efforts. If this new & improved version of Carnivore can capture all incoming/outgoing packets, even if encrypted, I think they have a method of cracking any encryption scheme if they want the info bad enough. It may take them awhile to deciper it, but they'll get it eventually. I'm not disagreeing with encrypting your data, just throwing this out as food for thought......

Excellent thread RogueSpy. It's bad enough they read your e-mail, monitor everything you do while your online, and now this make's you think whats gonna be next? It's pretty scary if you ask me!

let's do a resume of the situation:
it's 2 pm you get a cell phone call....intercepted by echelon
you're at work get a reg phone call/fax monitored by fbi (don't know the name of this prog)
you are using email/web/chat/voip/any ip traffic ... carnivore
you are playing paintballs and using grandpa's old walktalkies .... echelon

you take a dump in the toilets you might be alone if there are no bank/convenience shop/public libraries/ any institution that have cameras in the outside/ and if there are no cameras where you are at.... not that you have asked and been told no but that you have acrually checked... if it's there and not in plain view they won't tell you....

i'm sorry there is no more privacy....

by the way the spying tech has made tremendous progress with fiber optics and it it possible to have 1 fiber used as a camera.... that one you'll never find....

look behind you there smiling at you ....

A camera one fiber wide >_<; how long till we have cameras like in Richter 10!?!? As small as dust particles released into the air currents to settle on unsuspecting peps.....

looks like big brother and everyone else is watching you :(

v_Ln

Pretty interesting and scary at the same time, but I guess this will only be the tip of an iceberg. New instruments for scanning and monitoring will come all the time and also the counterparts aswell.

Maybe someone has to invent a A(nti)F(BI)-Scanner to be sold with existing AV products :D.

well if you look at what is going on in downtown tampa, fl you'd see that the future is not that far ....

bye the way how about this site ? i mean how does it uses the cookies in order to rmemebr which last post we last read ? is JP gettting some dark stats about who read whats and what not ? or what about hte loging ?

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Originally posted here by Noia
<Scared>
This is really stupid, not only are the readin e-mails, now theyr reading every thing.....
Hey, did you know that you screen emits signals that can be picked up an decoded, inotherwords, Wireless remote viewing, I'll get back to you on than tough.....

Nice post.... Crapy program......

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True. electromagnetic radiation from a standard CRT monitor can mean that the screen can be "seen" from across the other side of a road, this has been know for a long time, but when it was released, the FBI and CIA basically got VERY worried and classified the paper, it hasnt been unclasssified, yet.

Tempest technology has been around a long, long time - at least 20 years.

Here in the UK it has been used to detect people who were not paying their TV license (a requirement over here to watch TV even if you don't watch any government - i.e. BBC channels!). Just drive around in a van, and pick up the EM signals, and if you find a location that doesn't have a registered payment you find out exactly where it is and send the boys in the next day.

And why do you think that certain government systems have metal shields surrounding them - anything from a PC upwards?

Obviously wireless technology has the same weakness, and if you have anything confidential to send using this technology (e.g. to a printer), I'd be very wary.