AntiOnline's Banner and sterotype

Okay when im in class i like to check out this site and see replys to post i made and see where i can help and to check out my PMs and ect..

but ive noticed the word "hacker" being in the sites banner makes everyone think the site is underground hacker site (13370) Notice how many kids come in here asking questions about hacking and being flamed for it and not understanding why because they think the site is a teaching grounds for hackers.

In class my teacher told me that i was not allowed on this site because it had the word HACKERS in big letters on the banner and thought i was reading "bad material". I tryed to explain to him the site is about security and he replyed "there is no such thing" and walked away. So i am not allowed on the site while hes looking at least and that bothers me the sterotype that the site has recived.


I think if we want this site to be based on secuirty we need to have a more positive looking banner for one and get rid of the typical wording for hackers as often as possible. To often do i see kids using packet programs or cheats in games and be called hackers.. it jus bothers me.


So my site suggestion is to change the words under ANTIONLINE to read sumthing on the lines of a catchy security phrase...


Any suggestions from the members?

_NetSyN_

Considering "Hackers Know The Weaknesses In Your System. Shouldn't You?" has been the bi-line for this site just about since it was started (maybe even at the start) I really don't think it should be changed. That would be like changing the name of Coke-Cola, just because it has the word coke in it. Sorry NetSy, but in this case, I disagree with you.

It doesn't matter what we put there, there will still be kiddies. It could say "Antionline, Kiddies go screw yourself" and they would still show up. BTW, in a sence, you teacher is right. There really is no such thing as computer security. There will always be vulnerabilities in systems. You can only keep a machine as secure as the most recent patch.

As far as your teacher, and him/her to talk with you after class. See if you can show your teacher around the site, and ask if you can have permission to view it, once they have seen it. Most techers will not even let you on the web during class time, so obviously your teacher is rather open minded. If they are willing, get them to look around the site. As long as you show them that this isn't a kiddie site, and that kiddies get flamed, you may just get permission.

Well firstly hits wise hackers is a gem, type hackers in google AO pops up first. To a webmaster this is nice. Type in crackers you get all kinds off warez crap.

This has been debated before and Jp I presume is unlikely to change the sig he has used for a long time.

Sorry to say but this is one thing we will prob not see changed.

the main thing i noticed is kids in the class and even the teacher as soon as they saw the word hacker they made such a huge deal.. the teacher told me not to go here and the kids say crap like "oh your a hacker"

changeing the banner might not do alot but it might change people's idea of the site for the first time they come to it... security is a nicer word to see then hacker..


_NetSyN_

No offence but I dont think AO needs to change the logo just cause you can't view the site at school any more. If your simple minded teacher dosen't understand that this is an ANTI hacking site, then talk slowly and explane it.

Remote_Access_

The banner is fine. Show your teacher some of the threads.

I just don't think it would be the same - kinda used to the main page just the way it is :)

v_Ln

jsut use them both somehow

Yeah, my school recently blocked *.antionline.com too, bummer. I think it's the seemingly-antiquated-and-disorganized Anticode/Files section which is the kiddie-attractor and deadwood section, IMO.

It would be interesting (albeit a big pain in the ass to set up) if members could make a nodal system of text files, useful admin programs, etc. I mean, we have the tutorials forum, anyway.

I don't think it should change. But if it did it should be changed to a big picture of a day-glo orange jockstrap that has printed on it. "We help protect your equipment."

P.S. Sorry, I've been wanting to use that one for a while.......

:rolleyes: @ KorpDeath

;)

v_Ln

terr i sat down with the goal to index the text files it just didnt happen u cant even open half the files some are in different languages and their all ziped and im lazy so it would be a mamoth job hehe im still going to do it mabey this weekend just when i dont have maths tests to study for :(
well back to study ppl cya later
RiOtEr

NetSyn: sorry to hear your teacher is so close minded. It's very true that people fear the unknown, especially if that unknown has the potential to be used for bad things. Reminds me of the inquisition and the Salemn witch trials. It would be a very good idea to "try" your best to have the teacher check out the site in his/her free time. Also, give him some real skript kiddie sites to compare it with.....he will soon see the difference. [email protected] one. ;)

On the Uni network I cannot access this site from some few machines because the security settings in the machine won't allow it saying this site is forbidden.

What I don't understand is that these machines are right next to machines that will let me access it and all of the machines are susposed to have the same settings.

In the settings for IE what is the level at which this site gets blocked? (I'm just curious cause I can't change the settings without getting in serious trouble anyway)

garathjax: what msg do you get when you attempt to access it from one of the restricted machines? - and as matter of intrest what uni you at? Southern (trinity?) or northern (queens, jordans town, coleraine?) just I have some friends there or did you go away from home?

Valhallen
There is a big "Forbidden" across the top of the screen and the rest of the page is the same as "The Web site cannot be found" page.

P.S. I go to UL (Limerick Uni).

day-glo KorpDeath? Bright lime green seems catchy. :)

netsyn... i don't think it needs to change. why should we change our cathc phrase because media driven america see the word hacker and thinks evil. did you know that there are ANTI-Terrorism sites being blocked from high school cause the word terroristt is in them? well there are. my sister was telling me about it happening at her school. people are dumb, we can only deal with it.

garathjax - try going to http://1064089033/ instead is just antionline's addy converted to hex - worked for my uni comps cause they only had the url blocked :)

heh then again if they r just using the security built into IE they're prolly dumb enough to have left the prefrences on (under tools>internet options>security) if none of that works and you think it is the built in IE security get another browser - I used to have a tiny one that would fit/run off a floppy that I got from downloads.com try there you might be able to turn something up ;) Limerick.....nope don't know anyone there :( but hope that helps

v_Ln

If a clear defenition is posted on or about the front page, this might help those with access problems convince the powers that be to permit them to view the site.

A hacker looks, but does not touch; hacking is a result
of a curious nature.

A cracker touches; cracking is a result of poor potty
training.

A hacker learns in order to learn.

A cracker learns in order to exploit.

Any true hacker has a Bushido-style sense of honor. A
hacker is a Samurai.

Crackers generally have no honor. A cracker is Ronin.

The term "cracker" was not chosen lightly; it was chosen
by hackers, not by journalists. "Cracking" intentionally
implies breakage, damage, or exploitation of some kind.

In fact, it is journalists who use the terms as if they
were the same thing, which pisses hackers off immensely,
and delights crackers no end, in the same way that a
person who habitually wore black in order to impersonate
a tortured young artist would be delighted to be mistaken
for one.

definition from poster in freebsd-security mailing list
http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#mailing-list

set you broeser to not show pics...the word hacker is gone! along with the banner that screams anti-online to anyone near your computer.

Greetings All:

Sorry, but we're not getting rid of and/or change a corporate slogan that I've been using for years and years. That would be like, like, well, like me not starting every letter posting and e-mail that I write with "Greetings" and ending them with "Yours In CyberSpace"!