Cosmos Games - Teams

Here's your chance to vote for the points brought up by both teams in The Cosmos Games.

Do you think that computers will one day be able to show human emotions?

Remember, you're voting for the points brought up, not for your actual point of view...

Hello??? Anyone there??? If so...VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For voting, refer to this thread: http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=222387

Greg

I voted but I don't see why the rest of the 50+
people that's viewed this thread hasn't.
Come on ppl VOTE!.. :D

Remote_Access_

NO...

I'm fairly certain that no matter how advanced the algorithm is, human-made technology will never have the capacity to understand, much less use, emotions...
Just think...a system is only as strong as its weakest component...sigh...no matter how much I generate ideas both accepting or opposed to the thought, nothing comes up as viable...

Ouroboros

I should clarify that last post a bit...

Imagine a close relative to you dies...some people have empathy for you (oh, that's sad...i'm sorry) and they really mean it, but on the other hand, some people think (what the hell do I care?) and they really mean it...there is no 'standard' that a processing unit could use to verify its results, as it's all subjective...

Just a thought, and I'm still thinking...while watching 'AI'...Stanley Kubrick was a genius:)

Ouroboros

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Just a thought, and I'm still thinking...while watching 'AI'...Stanley Kubrick was a genius

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Umm. I thought AI was done by Speilberg? Or are you referring to Space Odyssey: 2001 as well and the critter of HAL?

Even though I believe I did a magnificent job (no autographs)
defending the YES point of view, I remain convinced that

No, computers, being created by humans, cannot attain
to the same level as their creator, by simple logic.

congratulations to all the debators. Everyone did
a great job!
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I voted YES,
I would just like to enlighten all of you to this idea. 2,000 years ago we knew that the earth was flat. 1,500 years ago we knew that we were at the center of the galaxy and that things revolved around us. 150 years ago we knew that humans could not fly. 100 years ago we knew that libraries were the best source for information. 50 years ago we knew that computers took up a whole room. 25 years ago we knew nothing of the internet. 5 minutes ago you knew that AI in computers could not be. Imagine what you will know tomorrow.

Scary idea, huh?

I voted for the YES team, because that's what I believe in. I believe that some other members of the NO team gave a very convincing debate. :)

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Originally posted here by The3ntropy
I voted YES,
I would just like to enlighten all of you to this idea. 2,000 years ago we knew that the earth was flat. 1,500 years ago we knew that we were at the center of the galaxy and that things revolved around us. 150 years ago we knew that humans could not fly. 100 years ago we knew that libraries were the best source for information. 50 years ago we knew that computers took up a whole room. 25 years ago we knew nothing of the internet. 5 minutes ago you knew that AI in computers could not be. Imagine what you will know tomorrow.

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Actually, you have your time reversed. The idea that the sun orbited the earth was an older idea than the earth being square (which was really only a fad for those in higher social circles anyways). Also, if you look at 'we' you'll have to define that a little, because many many cultures recognized that we orbited the sun (Ancient Egypt, The Mayans, Japanese, etc), and that the earth was a sphere.

Until you hit that '25 years ago' mark, you're speaking not of things we created, but things we discovered. Flight was a discovery, not an invention. Computers were an invention, not a discovery. Artificial Intelligence will be an invention, not a discovery.

Personally, I don't believe that while computers are binary based that we'll be able to properly create Artificial Intelligence. The reason being that when a computer gets something, it's entirely a YES or a NO answer, there is no in between in a binary system. Take a Base 3 system, you have YES, MAYBE, and NO. With Base 5, you expand that to YES, MAYBE YES, MAYBE, MAYBE NO, NO, and it goes up. I think that Humans operate on Base 127 or something like that. To a computer, Maybe is not an acceptable answer, it's either yes or No, and until we move off of a binary system for processing data, I'm of the opinion that we'll have very limited AIs.

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I thought AI was done by Speilberg?

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then end was. and it was directed by spielberg. but stanley kubric came up with the idea and wrote the beginning. you can really see the transition from kubric's work to speilberg as well. kubric's was much much better.

Sorry, but I think that they took AI too far. They should have ended it about 15 minutes before they did, and as a result the movie sucked IMO.

i agree chsh.... the last 15 was speilbergs doing

Stanley Kubrick rulez...

True AI is defined to be self-conciousness.. well if we make a computer program think it's self-concious then as far as it's concerned it's Intelligent. Give something the ability to learn, and inputs that it can learn from, it will probably become intelligent rather quickly. There are bots made already that can carry on conversations on a specific topic, short ones but they do still carry one on. If you really think about it, when we put code into a program telling it to behave a certain way we limit it by telling it not to behave in another way. That's a dillema because then we have to come up with the code telling it how to learn when we don't even fully understand how that would happen. So we have limited our programs from being intelligent by thinking the way we do. Somehow, if we want a program to be truly intelligent then we'd have to find a way for it not to be limited to do only what we tell it to do.

Just a though, it'd be funny if someone made an intelligent program that happened to start experimenting with turning itself off for a day or two...

Hmmm... 71.43% voted for the arguments of the Yes-team, 28.57% for the arguments of the No-team. Taking in consideration that the Yes-team only consisted of four (participating)people - RcGreen, Preacherman481, Lord_Darkside-x, and Flibberdy - I'd say we have a clear victory here.

Congratulations!

I'm not going to close this thread, since we still have a good discussion going on here.

You know I find it ironic that my team is losing and yet I won. Yay me! ;)

It is interesting to see the play on words. I trully didn't think of exact phrasing. If you look at the wording of the question "Will machines SHOW emotions?" it is different than "Will machines HAVE emotions?"

Interesting debate. ;)

Any more coming up Negative?

Confusion was the keyword, true that MsMittens... ;)

The question indeed was 'Will machines SHOW emotions?', and it seems like everybody drew their own conclusions.

I just find it funny that most people don't have that big of a problem with defending a point of view they don't agree with ;)
Good job, everyone.
More's coming up, even more confusing ;)