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Well guys this is the biggest mistake (misunderstanding) of the human:"Cracker=Hacker", so "Hacker=Cracker". People who don't have much experience on computers and internet, think the same thing ("Cracker=Hacker", so "Hacker=Cracker"). Whose fault is it that makes the opinion of that people wrong? The answer is: THE MEDIA. Let's analyze this happening, on the following posts.
If 'Cracker = Hacker', then 'Hacker = Cracker'... that's simple logic.
If that'd be 'the biggest mistake of the human', mankind isn't as bad as they say... ;)
Negative, if [(Cracker=Hacker and Hacker=Cracker)=1] then from a thread i've made, which says that the hacking is legal on Argentina then from 1 the cracking will be also legal on that cracking.
In other words, "If all dogs are animals, then all animals are dogs", eh?Quote:
Originally posted here by Negative
If 'Cracker = Hacker', then 'Hacker = Cracker'... that's simple logic.
If that'd be 'the biggest mistake of the human', mankind isn't as bad as they say... ;)
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I said If 'Cracker = Hacker', then 'Hacker = Cracker', not If all crackers are hackers, then all hackers are crackers...Quote:
Originally posted by Rcgreen
In other words, "If all dogs are animals, then all animals are dogs", eh?
There's a difference between being equal (=), and being part of (all a are b)... As I said: simple logic.
If a = b, then b = a is a logically correct statement; If all a's are b, then all b's are a isn't...
Yeah, excatly that. So the hacker who was on Argentina, will be on the jail for the same years. That's not fair.
Yeah, as Maths, i've made a mistake. I wanted to say all hackers and all crackers. sorry. Thanks Negative you make this notice.Quote:
Originally posted here by Negative
I said If 'Cracker = Hacker', then 'Hacker = Cracker', not If all crackers are hackers, then all hackers are crackers...
There's a difference between being equal (=), and being part of (all a are b)... As I said: simple logic.
If a = b, then b = a is a logically correct statement; If all a's are b, then all b's are a isn't...
Anyway, the general public doesn't even
use the term "cracker" except as a synonym
for "biscuit", so I think it's a waste of time
trying to teach them the distinction between
hacker and cracker.
No matter how you try, people will use language
that seems to make sense to them. Anyone who
seems obsessed with computers is a hacker,
but not all hackers are "illegal" hackers.
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You've just said a big truth rcgreen.
I've noticed this even at AntiOnline where we know better. I've noticed people using "hacker" when describing someone committing computer crime. I guess it's just come to be a generic term. Maybe it is too engrained in public usage now to change? And I think the word "Hacker" just sounds better than "Cracker." What about that movie they made? Would you go to see a movie called "Crackers"?
Why not preacherman481, "Sneakers" was a pretty good movie, and a lot more realistic.
I never saw "Hackers" Souleman, but from what I understand, you're right about the realism. :)
The same notion falls under the question:
"To BEAT the man, you have to BE the man"
How can a sysadmin, who is the same as a "hacker" (term used extremely loosely), be a criminal?
I've always believed that knowledge is power, yet it seems that the general people are powerless.
A Hacker is a cracker because people are lazy to learn the difference. Try talking to uneducated people and tell them you stopped a script kiddie from *****in with your network.
Which also falls to this....
Hacker=Cracker=Script Kiddie=Virus Scripter=Kiddie Porn Pedofile=etc.....
No matter how you look at it today, the public puts everything together, like social clustering....
If it's the same/similar, they go together.....
It's a battle left alone! Better pick another battle, one with more intelligence invovled. Fighting the dumb only creates more confussion.
I have seen the film and as i have said on this thread, this film it was completely a failure, only some cyberfreaks like it.Quote:
Originally posted here by preacherman481
I never saw "Hackers" Souleman, but from what I understand, you're right about the realism. :)
tyger_claw, your post screams of the reason why relativism is evil.
When all things are looked at as being subjective, then nothing can be right or wrong.
Nothing can be true or false.
No thing can be.
Our life falls into meaninglessness, or ethics becomes crap, morals go out the window, and any knowledge we have is invalid.
I hate relativism with a passion.
I hate sloppy logic.
And anyone that argues for relativism, cannot use the word tolerance, because there is no place for it.
p or -p. p and -p. No 50%True, or 35% True. Things are either true, or false, or nonsense.
Equating a sysadmin to a hacker, and then a hacker to a skiddy, and then a skiddy to a pedofile, that leads to madness. It is nonsense. A sysadmin has to get off by looking at pictures of childred being abused? NO.
This is why I think that philosophy should be taught to everyone. People think it is useless, when they babble incoherencies about the world that have the tinge of nihilism, yet they think that they are speaking sense. It has been held that nihilism is the social force which brings civilizations to there knees, perhaps this is where the general populace wishes to go...
This rant is not directed at anyone in particular, just at the world as a whole in a blatant generalization. So even though I fall into fallacy, I AT LEAST KNOW I AM SAYING NONSENSE.
This day has been trying. I apologize for any discomfort my ramblings may have caused listeners who picked up on the rather esoteric mumbo-jumbo that spewed forth from my fingertips.
I must sleep, I have a meeting at 9:30, which means someone thinks that I can function without coffee in the morning, boy have they been misled.
dhej
Final opinion about the movies and the confusion about who is hacker and who is craker
After i've read and seen the critics about the movies related with hackers and cracker [source amazon i found the other truth about the films. Films like "Hackers", "Matrix", "The Net", "Swordfish" and many other film that cyberFreaks like are completely fantastic and out of the real [e-]world.
Now, about the confusion between the properties "Hacker" and "Cracker", i agree a bit with rcgreen who said there, but i had the same opinion when i didn't have Internet and i only was listening to the media. So i think that they are going to change there opinion.
Sorry if you can't understand what i've said. Bad english.