AO reviewed in "Steal this computer book 2"

I stole this book (really) called "STEAL THIS COMPUTER BOOK 2" and saw a review of AO. Here is how it went:

One of the more controversial hacker websites is AntiOnline (www.antionline.com), which not only provides hacker news, virus source code, and Trojan Horse programs, but also maintains a comprehensive profile of hackers for use by law inforcment agencies. Naturally, AntiOnlines cooperation with the police has upset many hackers, many of them whom retaliate by breaking into AntiOnlines computers on a regulas basis. In fact, attempts to hack into AntiOnline are so common that AntiOnline now posts real-time logs showing the latest hacker attacks, attempted method of attack, target, and (when possible) the hackers internet address. To learn more about hacking from a hackers point of view check it out.

The part that gets me is the law enforcment part. I really don't think that a hacker that actually gives you a reason to arrest him/her would give a descriptive profile or even be a member of AO as to avoid such things as FBI or what not.

what do you people think on this review?

sounds about right ;)

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One of the more controversial hacker websites

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AO is a SECURITY web-site >_<;
how we ever gonna get rid of all the wee Script Kiddies if books etc are constantly refering to AO as a hacker site????

v_Ln

yeah thats the bok that brought me to this site.

preep

Here's another reference to AO, this is from the book "Hack Attacks Revealed" by John Chirillo....it's only a brief reference to this site, but at least it identifies AO as a security site.

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Perhaps the best description of hacking, however, is atttributed to John Vranesevich, founder of AntiOnline (an online security Web site with a close eye on hacker activity). He called hacking the "result of typiclal inspirations"

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an online security Web site with a close eye on hacker activity

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At least someone got it right.

so, if you have 10 greenies and 1000 posts, you think the FBI will consider you a threat and monitor what you do?
i really don't think this site promotes hacker activity. it is a site that you can learn from or talk to others about security. personaly, i don't want to be a malicious hacker, i just want to persue a career in this field because it is very interesting to me,so.. FBI or anyone else can go crack down on the real criminals, not people like me or others on this site!

Well, all I have to say is that if you're doing something illegal (ie. hacking major sites (or, should I say, any sites that aren't your's or haven't given you express permission to do so, etc) and you're browsing or posting here, you're one stupid mofo and deserve to get caught...

From what I have seen, however, there's a large contingent of smart/quick anti-hacking folks here, as well as a decent number of n00bs and a few kiddies. Personally, I'm here to pick up what I can from everyone and, hopefully, share what knowledge I have with the rest of you (hopefully without giving the kiddies too much "useful information" -- kinda like ASR in some respects, I guess... or, at least, I think that's where I first got the general idea/spirit).

As far as I'm concerned, the anonymity here is, well, something to (hopefully) keep even more spammers from adding my mailbox to their spam lists.

Valhallen. I know that people say: "But AntiOnline is a security site" but that doesn't change the fact that there is a lot of information about pro-malicious hacking, trojan horses, bomb-making, virii...etc

Heh heh. I read that too. . .book isn't all that great, anyway, but this site does have a lot of resources to learn about, uh huh, 'hackerish' stuffage. . .sad that people(authors, media) can't differentiate b/w. . .here's some stuff to peruse and learn from and. . .here's some k3wl 5cr1975 fer da |4m3 to run and j4ck some stuff up. . .

yeah agreed jethro but if people keep constantly refering to AO as a hacker site then it is going to attract the script kiddies looking for an easy answer to all their lamer ques.
Some sk's may come here to check out the tut section etc - but alot of them come to post their "how do i hack hotmail" type ques....

v_Ln

Holy ****!!!!! The Fbi is tracking me. Time for a little slash and burn session here at HQ.

{ yawn }

AO is fast becoming a Chat forum website more than anuthing else.....I'll mention in my new book "Steal this Computer Book before you start posting..." (ok...bad joke!)

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Originally posted here by ThePreacher
Holy ****!!!!! The Fbi is tracking me. Time for a little slash and burn session here at HQ.

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QUICK! Lose the avatar! :p

AO will always be associated with hacking as long as it keeps that damn tool section. Who the hell in their right mind wants to download Sub7? Jesus...

Damn books with their misleading ways..
;)

confessions of teenage hackers calls jp one of the worlds best hackers but does call antionline a security site ;) btw dont buy the book really not worth the read
rioter

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Originally posted here by 5150
The part that gets me is the law enforcment part. I really don't think that a hacker that actually gives you a reason to arrest him/her would give a descriptive profile or even be a member of AO as to avoid such things as FBI or what not.

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I know this thread is quite old, and someone dredged it up from the depths of the AO basement, but I wanted to address the profile part.

A while back JP wrote a set of informative articles about how to profile hackers. My understanding is that a lot of LE agencies out there, including the FBI (which started profiling years ago) picked up what JP said and have even had him lecture/tech them his techniques.

I don't know that they "maintain" a profiling database, but if they do it's not accessible to the general public. I also don't know that the profiling is being done on members of the site, this type of profiling is done by looking at attacks, messages, etc and building a profile of what the attackers looks like and acts like. It will also allow you to figure out motive, and from that to possibly even guess what future targets may be.




El Diablo

OK.. As most of you have only been visiting this site since it went to being a more commercials site here is a little background:

This site originally started as a hacker site. At the time calling yourself a "security" site was not as popular as now. So the site was frequented by many people who are big in the underground... This was when it was run more as a hobby site then a business..

Antionline used to run a hacked website archive similiar to aldas or attrition. I guess at some point JP figured he could make some money, but to do that he would need to make sure that AO had a squeaky clean persona.. So the focus of the site went from, "here is information on how to hack", to "here is information on how people hack, and how to protect yourself..." There is an AO manifesto floating around here somewhere that explains JP's motives in the switch...

At this time the articles on how to profile a hacker were written. Apparently JP took all of the information he had gathered over the years and created a hacker database. This database was at the time only accessible to law enforcement agencies. It is possible JP still maintains it.. if he does.. it is not advertised as it used to be..

Now does that mean that if you are posting in these forums that the FBI is watching you?? No.. they don't have that kind of manpower... Does it mean that JP could log everything that goes on on his IRC server and tip the feds off if you talk about doing something illegal... Sure it does... But if you are doing something illegal, and talking about it... You are just asking to get caugt..

Ya know, I read that book.... all I got out of it was How to scam people out of there hard earned money. I learned about packet sniffing too, but other than that, the book in question didnt really provide me with any thought provoking arguments. I thought it was going to be really good, from all the thing I had heard about it.

/me frowns on "Steal this Computer Book."