Hey, let's ban everything, or Whatever happened to parental responsibility.

Found this today...

http://gamers.com/news/1144156

So, can someone tell me where this crap is going to end? Think movies, think TV, think music. Then think cigarettes and alcohol...
Are these folks prepared to generate a happy medium in video games? The very premise doesn't hold water...

POINT BLANK...LIFE is bad for you. What the hell are these politicians and parents trying to do? I'll tell you what they are trying to do. Exonerate themselves. "It's not my fault, it must be the video games" "It's not my fault, it's the drugs" "It's not my fault, it's the 'influences'". WHAT THE **CK?!? Is there no such thing as parental responsibility anymore? These **cking intellectually vapid morons sit their kids down in front of the TV to 'babysit' them, in order to take the unholy 'stress' of being a parent off of their indigent, 'i can't be bothered to raise a child' shoulders, and then they have the audacity to bitch and moan about what their kids (their RESPONSIBILITY) are seeing and experiencing? What the **ck is going on? **cking IDIOTS! Have any of you ever had a problem designating the difference between right and wrong? Have any of you ever stolen a car, **cked a prostitute, blown up an armored car with a rocket launcher and collected cash from a gangster only after beating his rival to death with a club? WTF!!??

The greatest threat to our survival as a nation, a world, and as a species lies in the likes of those who DENY THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to support it. Parents, wake the **ck up!...Your kid, what s/he learns, sees, and most importantly, accounts as reality is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, not anyone else's. WTF ever happened to "Son, it's just a movie, it's not real" ??!?

To those who support this kind of lawmaking...take a good long look at yourself. Do you see your child as a commodity? Do you even care, in the end, or do you just like to piss and moan about how horrid this world is? You like making excuses for your own irresponsibility, don't you? Let's update that previous phrase to "Son, it's just a video game, it's not real..." Too hard for ya? Well, then **** YOU!, you don't deserve to be a parent. Take some **cking responsibility, for **ck's sake...

In turn, I must say that I, myself have a daughter, and another on the way. She agrees that this kind of crap is unneccessary..."Dad, I know, this stuff is fake, I'D NEVER WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE"

You half-assed jerks that keep referencing Columbine to everything should boil your heads. True enough, that was a tragedy, but it also was a combination of faults(real faults, not Doom)...Inattentive parenting, and the total unrecognized randomness of teenage emotional stress. In other words, totally **cking random. But right away, people were looking for an excuse...**cking depressing, if you ask me...

Entitlement is the newest craze, and it is bullshit. So long responsiblity, so long parenting, so long individual guilt...

**CK THAT.

Ouroboros

Aww, **ck it, I'm gonna go play Resident Evil...HEY!, I'm 'of age'...**cking zombies ;)

O

Ouroboros, you seem to have a rather limited vocabulary. It distracts from your message.

He's of age to rant with profanity :D *joke*

It is rather discouraging how people place blame on videogames....
I hope that that bill passes....
All it's going to do is the same as beer...
Older people will buy/rent for younger people, or, it'll increase the traffic of warez games....

just check this site on a previous political blame on games
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...ghlight=gaming

ok, here's a link to a slightly better(IMO) article:
http://msn.com.com/2100-1106-899612.html

my opnion can be found here

Well....after about half way through the article I just said aw **ck that is annoying...I don't like that view that they have however my daughter walked up to me after watching a movie...she is 3 and said "daddies a biatch...well when I asked my wife it turned out she was watching "Friday" with my wife...needless to say that stopped

What about games like Ages Of Empire?
It involves killing humans!

What about that?
It's games like that where I learnt about historical things like Gangus Khon (I know I mispelled it), and not in high school....

Also, if the bill is passed, who plays "Censor"? :deal:
Please tell me it's not Congress of the US!! :eek:

Why should children be kept from playing games like Doom?
It creates great hand-eye coordination and quick reflects!

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daddies a biatch

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Aww... that's cute :)

At least you're executing your parental expectations..... some people don't and just hope that congress will take care of it....

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Originally posted here by Airhead
Ouroboros, you seem to have a rather limited vocabulary. It distracts from your message.

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I hope you are kidding...if my (supposedly) limited vocabulary is a factor in your understanding of the message that I am trying to convey, then I am not speaking to you...

Emotional Response, anyone?...real passion in idealistic belief anyone?...
Heaven forbid that I curse or express any real passion in my thoughts...oh, wait...my original post has now been rated 'M' for 'Mature'.

Ouroboros

AMEN!!

Seriously, parents are the one's who decided to have the kids in the first place (and if they didn't know it could happen, or thought it never would, just because they weren't "trying" or something when they ****ed, they're just stupid). Just like owning a dog (pardon the reference), they are responsible for the child's actions until one of them dies or the child turns eighteen. Trying to limit anything because your afraid "the children might see it" is a stupid excuse. If you don't want them to see it, don't let them have access to it in the first place. It is not (despite popular myth) the community's responsibility to raise the children, it is the parents. If, by the time the child is old enough to play, even comprehend these games in the first place, they do not know the difference from right and wrong, real and fake, they need either medical treatment or new parents, since by then they should have been taught that by the parents.

Not only that, the fines and penalties proposed are excessive and do not properly fit the so called "crime", and in truth should not even be there in the first place. A fine of $1000 dollars for selling a $40 product, to a youth who should by then be able to judge right & wrong, real and fake, is horrendously excessive, and the same goes for the younger ones who might not be able to, because their parents should be with them in the first place and judging what the kid can get, after all, it's almost blatantly displayed on most games, and any parent who does less is at fault, not the child or the sellers.

In sum, politicians are acting like their normal selves, catering to any and all causes that might boost their votes, no matter how wrong or how misplaced the attitude is. It is the parents responsibility to watch over their children, no one else should have to do it for them. Any attempts (especially by the government) to do so borders on restriction of free will (unfortunately, not constitutionally guaranteed), and brings us yet closer to an even more degenerate society, where no one is responsible for their actions because they can always blame it on someone/thing else, and where everything we can/are exposed to is government controlled.

Some people are just absolute ***(fill with expletives/curses/etc. of your choice)***

Ouroboros, I agree with you. I may be drifting a little bit off the subject here, but hear me out.

About a year ago My Friend, I , and his parents and sister went out to BlockBuster to rent a video game and movie. We found a game called "Rockies Revenge" or something along the lines of that. When we got to the check out line, the guy told his mom that the game was rated Mature and was not appropriate for kids under 18.

My question is What Age group plays video games?
WHY the **** do they make games that aren't appropriate for kids . The game i was trying to rent was about a fuking squirrel. I bet the percentage of people who play gamez who are over 18 iz less than 10%.
Why make a game if only 10 percent of your audience can play it?
Its just plain stupid i say!
Now if the squirrel didn't swear, the video game wud be rated G .
Just Plain Stupid!

Ouroboros, well said.

i wish... no i demand, people stop pushing the responsibilities for THEIR kids off on me. arnt responsible parents SUPPOSED to view the contents of ANYTHING before their children get it.

legislation and enforcement of legislation cost ME and everybody else money. enforcement of legislation makes an already bloated government even more bloated and gives them yet another excuse to root themselves even deep into our lives.

i don't ****en want them there ! its really pissen me off !

xpaciscool, i gota tell ya, i personally don't play very many games. at least not the kind you buy in boxs, but, i don't know anyone who dosn't, and i don't know anyone under 18. the people i work with and many of my friends outside of work, have their names on waiting lists for gamming ****. Theres a really large market for adult (non pron) games.

My final thoughts (and a few clarifications)...

I am 25, and an expecting parent(July 11th, or so the doctors say). I have been a gamer since the Intellivision II. I have owned almost every game system since then (don't ask how much $ this has cost me...it's too much). I am amazed as anyone about the technical advances in the industry as anyone else. Part of those advances is in the storytelling, the themes, the ideas. And having grown up as an "Old-School" Gamer, as I have...I have grown with the industry, I suppose. I can understand the restrictions on certain games, but those seem to be avoidable 'laws'. What I CAN'T understand is the certainty of some people that music, movies, and/or video games are causing the problems of today's society. If someone(a child, and adolescent, or adult) can be influenced by the most extreme form of unreality(as opposed to board games...but hey, I played RISK like a maniac, too)...I take issue. Not with the creators, publishers, distributors of such things, video games in particular...but rather with the structures of the lives of 'modern' children.
Parental responsibility is disappearing, slowly but surely...and I despise that very idea. "It's not my fault, it's the TV, the Movie, the Music, the Book, the Video Game..." But whose fault is it, really? Who says, "Hey, sit down and watch TV while I get ready to go. or "If you wake up early, watch some TV."? Upon HER interest spawned by ME, her PARENT, my step-daughter watches the Discovery Channel, the History Channel, etc., but also enjoys playing Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, GTA3, etc... Why am I proud of her? Because she has the innate intelligence to recognize the difference between REAL atrocities, and FAKE ones, even if she is committing them, in the latter case. Isolated children are a mistake, for they are the ones that are most vulnerable to the evil influences. Like it or not, that's just the way it is... Do I fear that my stepdaughter or my biological daughter(7-11) will become 'enchanted' by these things and commit crimes in response? No.

She(they) know(s) better. How did she(they) learn better? From her parents. From me and mom...we actually care in a way that doesn't involve blaming others for our weaknesses. We try, we love, we teach, and THEY KNOW.

Ouroboros

p.s. Airhead, I did not mean to attack you, but I am very vehement about this topic...forgive me.

And to those in doubt... the percentage of the gaming populace is right around 35% for those under 18 (for obvious reasons), and 65 percent above 18 yrs old. Oh, that silly Mario...

O

I agree with the emotions expressed here, if not the way they were expressed. Ourbouros, I understand what you are saying, but I agree with Airhead that it may have been more readable if you had left a few of the **ck's out....

It is hard as a parent to know where to draw the line with some things. I have a six year old son, and he is in the "in-between" age right now. I try to keep him to G rated movies, but he is very interested in some that aren't, and if I watch them and approve them, then he watches them. Our current battle right now is over Spiderman, which he would give his left arm to see, but it is PG-13, and I am definitely not comfortable with him watching that....at least until I see it. On the other hand, two of our favorite movies are the Mummy, and the Mummy Returns, both of which are PG-13...but he didn't see them until I did.

I think that is part of where the current generation of parents is going wrong...they give up the fight, because it is a hassle. Being a parent is by definition a hassle...that's what you spend the next 18 or so years doing. If you're not up to the battle, then you shouldn't have children, and if you have unexpected children (which I don't understand with the number of birth control options available, but that's another thread.) you immediately become responsible for that child--not the government, not the schools, not teachers, not day care workers...YOU are responsible for that child.

Deb :D

BTW...I'm 28, and we play video games...my husband, my son and I all play them. It's not an entirely child-driven market.

I think the general problem is that many parents today don't take responsiblity for raising their children. I live in a city where young offenders steal cars and I mean a lot of cars! Some of these kids have 60 convictions or more. Our laws don't make them responsible, they serve no time in detention centers or jails. they just keep stealing cars. The law allows them to continue the behaviour but who is responsible for teaching them they shouldn't START the behaviour? The parent/s. You can blame society, video games, movies, music all you want but the bottom line is parents need to teach their children. Sure kids listen to their peers, movies, video games etc, but if the basic knowledge of what is real and what is not, what is right and what is wrong is instilled in them, these things won't have the negative effect that they get the rep of having.

Your tax dollars at work.

Hey this isnt the YMCA!?!? whats going on here..hello? ::smoker::

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Originally posted here by xpaciscool
Ouroboros, I agree with you. I may be drifting a little bit off the subject here, but hear me out.

My question is What Age group plays video games?
WHY the **** do they make games that aren't appropriate for kids . The game i was trying to rent was about a fuking squirrel. I bet the percentage of people who play gamez who are over 18 iz less than 10%.
Why make a game if only 10 percent of your audience can play it?

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well go online to a game like DAoC and do an age survey. Now we are going to have to assume that people are being honest in their answers, but I did one earlier. Out of the people that responded in both my guild and the groups that I was in an overwhelming 90% of them were over the age of 21. Now the real kicker was that 50% of those were over the age of 30. Now I'm not saying that it's average to have that many 30+ people playing vid games, but I'm just telling you what I saw. The sample I took this from was around 100 or so people... and NO it wasn't scientific.

Also head out to your local Babbages/Software Etc/Electronics Botique and watch the crowd of folks that are buying games.

that's right you guessed it. White, male, age range 18-25. It's a fact. :)




El Diablo
the devil made me do it :p

Ouroboros - Peace!