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Hi,
I been on computers more than 8 years & on internet for around 5 years.
I have bought books & cds on hacking, read many online test philes, visit security site.....
No matter how much I try - I am not able to hack !!!
What is wrong with me ? Where did I went wrong ? I hear stories like hackers breaking into high security site, MS bugs discovered, buffer overflow, root exploits...but why am I not able to do such things ????
Let me know - if you know the answers...
Peace.
Give up hacking its not your forte. You should try something more along the lines of quantum physics.
If you are having that many problems, you are GUARANTEED to be doing time the first time you actually accomplish something.
BTW, this is a security site, so why are you asking security professionals and cia agents and fbi agents why you are unable to hack their sites???????
I agree with Quad (for once), quantum physics would be much more up your alley.
/me thinks quantum physics is a lot harder than computers...
Codito Ergo Sum.............Quote:
PPS111, Just give Sandia National Labratories A call. They could use some help I'm sure.... :D
Quantum Physics Theory is fun for the curious,
but I'd stay away from the math....
After all, buffer-overflows are much easier to design then oh, so a sub-atomic electrostatic equation... as any of these fine gentelmen will tell you.
I'll give you something to agree with (for once).....you turd!
Well, let's see, I think that it may have something to do with the fact that you posted this message 5 or 6 times that I counted on AO's home page - I think that computers and the Internet just might not be for you... Just a guess though...
Ummm... to me, "hacking" (of any sort) really isn't something that can be easily "learned" or taught - it's something that you become talented at... it's more of a way of thinking and looking at things than it is a discrete set of steps or procedures (if it were that, most people's QA departments could probably design a similiar set of steps to make sure that code performed as designed, etc).
The internet and the technological world was done a great disservice when technical skill became though of as a secret brotherhood requiring key elitist elements.
Quantra:
Uhm... don't you just need the distance, the charges of each, and constant data?
Do not joke about Quantum Physics... it makes sense, although the math does... the theory not.
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Hmmm, I just hope Quantum Physics makes more sense than that sentence ;)Quote:
Originally posted by VictorKaum
Do not joke about Quantum Physics... it makes sense, although the math does... the theory not.
If you ask me I would say if he would have rewrote it I bet people would have helped him better, maybe something like this.
Hey,
I am looking at a carrer in system security and I have been reading and perfecting my skills for about 5 years now, but I just can't seem to figure out where to start looking, and how exploits are discovered, could someone please help me further my knowledge?
:D but thats just my opinion.
This probably catogorizes me with the unstructured informational posts? ;)Quote:
Originally posted here by Negative
Hmmm, I just hope Quantum Physics makes more sense than that sentence ;)
Quantum Physics mathematical models (Quantum Mechanics) are working, they are used in many products, like CD-players, etc... However nobody can agree on the theorethical state of Quantum Physics. Like there's something that is correct but no one can explain it correct. I hope this sentence makes more sense than the former ;)
Hmmmm... Somthin about not being able to correctly tell the location and direction or speed of a quantum particle correctly at the same time... i dunno
Place and speed, actually... But that doesn't only apply to Quantum Physics, it's a general law in physics...
Where did u GO wrong, it should be. I have also tried hacking, it iz very difficult. you have to know your operating system very very well to be good at hacking. I have never hacked remotely, but i have hacked systems that i actually sat at!Quote:
Where did I went wrong ?
Keep on tryin!,
Place and speed, my ass...quantum mechanics (is) as theory that exacerbates Einstein... He hated it...I would advise anyone interested in mutidimensional physics, per the Kaluza-Klein theory, to read the book by Michio Kaku..."hyperspace"...very informative, although a bit dismissive...
Ouroboros
And don't forget Riemann's Metric Tensor, and the GENERAL RELATIVITY of Einstein...
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I wasn't sure about the place and speed thing applied to Quantum Physics, just took xmadness' word for it... All I know about Quantum Physics comes from this interesting thread...
Hacker? What the hell is a hacker??? *LoSt*
System_0verload
the Quantum Physics thing has indeed something to do with space and time (or place and speed) but that's like Neg said true for all physics... it's called general relativity
first the field concept (Faraday) made it possible to develop the spacetime concept (Rieman) (Minkowski spacetime 4D) and the Special Theory of Relativity, then Einstein developed the equivalence principle in the General Theory of Relativity: A homogenous gravitationfield is local physical equivalent with a fictitious energyfield that finds his origination from a change in reference system. <-- that's what Negative is talking about. That's not Quantum Physics but GTR.
The problem about the Quantum Theory is that nobody understands it (Richard Feynman 1964, Nobel prize winner Physics).
There's no Quantum world there are only Quantum phenomena. You cannot interpret Quantum mechanics and put it in some theory that is free of contradictions but you can make some formalisms and models. (for instance the Shrödinger equatation)
The contradictions are measurement problems, like xmaddness mentioned you cannot precisly measure speed, place and direction of the particles.
-You can say that the system is complete described with the wavefunction but this is in contradiction with the hidden variables theory Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox (1933).
-You can use a collapse like I mentioned but this is an ad hoc adjustment of the Schrödinger function. Then you have an evolution through a linear dynamical function.
-Or you can say that measurements do have a fixed result (Goldstein 1998).
However those three are all usefull but internal contradictive.
So the freaky problem is that you have some empirical equivalent theories but no one can say wich one is true or even understand why they cannot explain their own mathematical models in theorethical concepts.
LOL ok.. let me elaborate on WHERE DID U GO WRONG...Quote:
What is wrong with me ? Where did I went wrong ? I hear stories like hackers breaking into high security site, MS bugs discovered, buffer overflow, root exploits...but why am I not able to do such things ????
1)You read about books and CDs about hacking... first of all.. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC BEHIND ON WHAT YOU ARE READING?
2) THERE IS NO SHORT CUTS IN HACKING... for what i gather.. u only copy the tricks and trades of "other" people by reading them hacking books.
3) Do u actually have any skills? or u just copy people's works?!?! the people who discovered some programming errors and vulnerabilities on apps and softwares are the ones who have the skills of what we call "Software Engineers" and they dont have to be one, as long as they have the skills of one they will do. NOTE: you must be professed with more than one language to be able to crack vulnerabilities and exploits.
4) You are in a wrong track my friend..
5) There are NO shortcuts! (sorry if i repeated this but THIS HAS TO BE STUCK IN YOUR BRAIN, if u still have one.)
Now, think about what i just elaborated to you...
Please, If you're new here or just haven't caught on yet, don't ever use the word "hack" in a request for information. It's sure to start something obviously.
That's not true, it depends what sence you use the word 'hack' in, if you are talking about hacking as in finding bugs in programs to fix them I am sure people would love to help you. However if you use the word as in breaking into peoples computers (the correct term is crack) of course you will get flammed. ;)Quote:
Originally posted here by PastyPyro
Please, If you're new here or just haven't caught on yet, don't ever use the word "hack" in a request for information. It's sure to start something obviously.
Step 1: Read "Your OS" For Dummies.
Step 2: Take a class on programming.
Step 3: Read Hacking Exposed over and over.
Step 4: Ask questions about subjects you do not understand.
Step 5: Read more books about what you want to learn.
These five simple steps should get you started in the right direction. The most important step in learning how to "hack" is to learn how a computer works (understand how applications work and how they are made). Secondly, if you want to be good at "hacking" I would suggest what everyone told me when I asked the same question: LEARN TO PROGRAM. Learning to program will not only allow you to make your own tools but it will also you find expliots in programs.
Hope I helped!
Jaguar291
There are just so many reasons why this thread is wrong I won't even go into. It hurts just thinking about it.
LMAO true.. i didnt even knew where to start
"And here class, you can see that while two hours have passed on the spaceship, two and A HALF hours have passed on earth!"
It's funny. I was explaining that phenomenon to someone today. What a co-inky-dink.
Terr
well, yes, that is what you need. But when you use ficticious values in a model, it is still more theoretical than real world aplication. and as any quantum physicist will tell you (like heisenburg [spelling?]) you can never know the direction and spin of any given electron at the same time. this makes for some big wholes to fill in a round about way. but i am really excited about developments in string theory.
i give 15 years before we have a terminal with a quantum computing secondary processor... right now we can have only factored the number "15" in a quantum enviornment.
Liquid computing in a billion billion mole liquid read and manipulated by a state of the art MRI....
Nifty, huh?
Awwwwwwwwwww
you've all shattered my illusions.... I thought Quantum Physics was about a guy righting wrongs with a holographic buddy in different times.... damn... no wonder i cant hack
:rolleyes: