more terrorist attacks coming!

I don’t know how it is around the rest of the country but around the NY area there are a lot of news broadcasts about upcoming terrorist attacks. Their telling us to watch out for terrorist turning rented apartments. into bombs and we all should increase our vigilance.

IMO if we learned anything at all from sept. 11, its not to stand by and let it happen, don’t wait for the proper authorities to show up to handle it if you see something about to happen, a lot of lives can be lost if you do. In the past if an airline passenger got out of hand or acted threatening every one just sat there and let ‘whoever’ handle it. Now it’s quite common for passengers to subdue a threatening person themselves.

I was wondering how everyone else feels about this and what their doing, if anything as private citizens?

I live in IN and we're getting the same genre broadcasts here also, but as my social studies teacher said-as more and more reports come out and nothing happens, we get more and more numb to it and after a while just ignore it all together...
As a member of the Indiana Army National guard-we're prepared for any sort of attacks, and can/will respond to attacks very quickly...
As my personal opinion-nothing is going to happen in IN even though the second largest ammunition depot is here in IN......

First of all, the warnings are just the government trying to cover their own asses, so that attention is divereted away from other issues. Tedob1, citizens do have certain responsibilities, but there are reasons why vigilantism is generally not permitted.

As for any subsequenbt terrorist attacks, it'll be something new that few people have thought of it. Before 9/11, I would say few people would have considered terrorists could hijack planes to use them as weapons...it's hard to expect the unexpected.

Yep! secretfires right we can all go back to sleep. and besides, if we take it apon ourselves to try an stop a terrorist an innocent person might get hurt.

I agree with secretfire, it is hard to expect the unexpected, we can only hope that if there are more terrorist attacks that the terrorists will tip their hands and something can be done about it before many innocent people get hurt again. :(

being vigilant does not mean vigilantism, maybe if you saw the structures that were part of your everyday life shown on the TV and listed as targets for terrorists, and were told to expect suicide bombers to attack the us and know that they mean your area. you might ask yourself. what would you do if you saw that someone had canister strapped to their chest. try to divert trafic, yell you ass off, run like hell. or if you saw someone pulling a machine gun out of a duffel bag. these are the actions of terrorists and i expect these things will happen. these things are very real to me.

Well, me? I have taken up my own investigation. I don't trust the FEDs cause they don't tell us anything worthy if being trusted. I have been immersed in Terrorist tracking. I live in Houston, which is a port city right near the gulf of mexico. Many 'Jihad Ma Chowdaas' could come here easily by boat. We have "open ports", if you will. I have been trying to understand their mind set. I have been speaking with a member here by the name of bimmer, who happens to be a Palestinian. As it seems, just about every Palestinian HATES the Jews. And just about every devout Muslim supports Hammas,PLO and other Palestinian Militant groups in one way or another. They are after all, fighting for their holy land. Well unfortunatly for the Arab world, that supports them, they don't have an real army. They have uneducated people willing to kill themselves because what the Islamic Teachers have been raising them for.So they must attack civilians, hence the lable "Terrorist". Fighting is in their blood. Death runs thick. I have spoken with a few muslim priests. Or what ever you call em. Even in their apologetics, they cannot negate the fact that the suicide bombing in Isreal is, by the law of Islam, not only okay, but the main way to get to Heaven and get your "13 Celestial Virgins". He showed me scriptures that I have showed you guys stating how hating the jewish people is basically a the way to go. There are also scriptures about the "Muslim, who didnt fight against the Jews."

In my very non politically correct opinion, all devout Muslims are a threat to National Security. But at this point, we could never make them leave. It would be un-American. I think our Americanism, and the freedom that we fought and still fight for will be the downfall. We are still allowing immigration, we are not showing any prejustice, we are being totally political, and peacefull about this. Like I said, our love of freedom will be our destruction. And I don't mind dying free.

Dr Toker i do believe if the **** hits the fan we'll she a major change in attitude. i don't think any action would be taken against the existing arab community, but i think it would be likely all those who came into this country within the last..say 6-12 months might be escorted out.

Hmmm, Dr Toker... a little biased, don't you think? Living in Houston,talking to ONE Palestinian and a couple of Muslim leaders... immersed??

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As it seems, just about every Palestinian HATES the Jews.

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That's like saying every Canadian hates the Americans after my conversation with ONE Canadian last week (he actually really really hated the Americans...).

You've been speaking to Bimmer... Reading Bimmer's reactions on this forum always reminded me of what's going on in the real world: a couple of amateurish Palestinians standing up against a well-trained giant Israelian army. Most of Bimmer's reactions weren't exactly reasonable, but what do you expect if he -someone who hardly speaks English, and has a different opinion- has to stand up against an army of experienced posters who know every trick in the box... We use our arsenal of tanks/rocket launchers to put his posts down... all he has left to defend himself are what you'd call 'terrorist techniques'.

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So they must attack civilians, hence the lable "Terrorist".

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I still don't understand you Americans' use of that word 'terrorist'... A terrorist is someone who is involved in terror, no? (Latin: terror -oris m. [fright , fear, terror; a frightening object]). Killing 20 people with a tank sounds just as 'terrific' (hence how you guys use that word in two -opposite - meanings) to me as killing 20 people by a suicide-attack... And I really don't understand how someone who is responsible for 152 death penalties can call someone else a terrorist...

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And just about every devout Muslim supports Hammas,PLO and other Palestinian Militant groups in one way or another.

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I really think you should differentiate between 'devout' Muslims, and 'extreme' Muslims.

Devout Muslims don't kill other people. Devout Christians don't kill other people. Devout Hindu's don't kill other people.

Extreme Muslims kill other people, as do extreme Christians and extreme Hindu's. Books like the Koran and the Bible are extremely usable for 'extreme' people to justify whatever they want to be justified: they're both full of interpretable quotes...
And the 'extreme' Israeli abuse the Bible just as much as the 'extreme' Palestinians abuse the Koran (and no, not ALL Palestinians are extremists, just like not all Israeli are extremists...).

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In my very non politically correct opinion, all devout Muslims are a threat to National Security. But at this point, we could never make them leave. It would be un-American. I think our Americanism, and the freedom that we fought and still fight for will be the downfall. We are still allowing immigration, we are not showing any prejustice, we are being totally political, and peacefull about this. Like I said, our love of freedom will be our destruction. And I don't mind dying free.

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I just hope you realize that most Europeans laugh at your so-called freedom. 'Still allowing immigration'? Hmmm, those Green Cards must be an urban legend then. 'Not showing any prejustice'? I assume you mean that as prejudiced... if so, LMAO. I've never seen any media being more prejudiced than American media, I've never seen a country being more brainwashed by its media than America (with the exception of a couple extremist Islam-countries...)... I think your 'we are being totally political, and peacefull about this'-statement prooves my point. I guess most of you still believe you were being totally political in Vietnam as well, eh? Or that no civilizians were killed in Afganisthan? (Oh, I forgot, Afganisthani are Muslim, fighting is in their blood, they're all 'terrorists'...).

Something else: in the first paragraph of your post, you're talking about the Palestinian conflict. In your conclusion, you are talking about a threat to National Security... The only way the Palestinian conflict might ever threaten your National Security, is because of your meddlesomeness....

You don't mind dying free? 'Almost' sounds as 'I don't mind dying for protecting my freedom'...
Or sounds as 'Willing to kill themselves because what the Islamic Teachers have been raising them for'...
PS: yes, this was a biased post... just trying to 'understand your mind set' ;)

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Hmmm, Dr Toker... a little biased, don't you think? Living in Houston,talking to ONE Palestinian and a couple of Muslim leaders... immersed??

That's like saying every Canadian hates the Americans after my conversation with ONE Canadian last week (he actually really really hated the Americans...).

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Negative: offcourse in pure logic your point is exact and Dr.Toker fails... he made a generalization.
but however somehow the general feeling is that way, that explains why many ppl think it is. This however does not mean that ALL Palestinians are that way.

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I still don't understand you Americans' use of that word 'terrorist'... A terrorist is someone who is involved in terror, no? (Latin: terror -oris m. [fright , fear, terror; a frightening object]). Killing 20 people with a tank sounds just as 'terrific' (hence how you guys use that word in two -opposite - meanings) to me as killing 20 people by a suicide-attack... And I really don't understand how someone who is responsible for 152 death penalties can call someone else a terrorist...

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Perhaps terror against innocent ppl is more frightening than terror against guilty ppl?

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I really think you should differentiate between 'devout' Muslims, and 'extreme' Muslims.

Devout Muslims don't kill other people. Devout Christians don't kill other people. Devout Hindu's don't kill other people.

Extreme Muslims kill other people, as do extreme Christians and extreme Hindu's. Books like the Koran and the Bible are extremely usable for 'extreme' people to justify whatever they want to be justified: they're both full of interpretable quotes...
And the 'extreme' Israeli abuse the Bible just as much as the 'extreme' Palestinians abuse the Koran (and no, not ALL Palestinians are extremists, just like not all Israeli are extremists...).

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Yep I agree, in fact 7% of Israeli are ultra orthodox extremists...

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I just hope you realize that most Europeans laugh at your so-called freedom. 'Still allowing immigration'? Hmmm, those Green Cards must be an urban legend then. 'Not showing any prejustice'? I assume you mean that as prejudiced... if so, LMAO. I've never seen any media being more prejudiced than American media, I've never seen a country being more brainwashed by its media than America (with the exception of a couple extremist Islam-countries...)... I think your 'we are being totally political, and peacefull about this'-statement prooves my point. I guess most of you still believe you were being totally political in Vietnam as well, eh? Or that no civilizians were killed in Afganisthan? (Oh, I forgot, Afganisthani are Muslim, fighting is in their blood, they're all 'terrorists'...).

Something else: in the first paragraph of your post, you're talking about the Palestinian conflict. In your conclusion, you are talking about a threat to National Security... The only way the Palestinian conflict might ever threaten your National Security, is because of your meddlesomeness....

You don't mind dying free? 'Almost' sounds as 'I don't mind dying for protecting my freedom'...
Or sounds as 'Willing to kill themselves because what the Islamic Teachers have been raising them for'
PS: yes, this was a biased post... just trying to 'understand your mind set' ;)

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To illustrate Negative's point: in the past 30 years violence has decreased with 20%, but the media attention that the violence gets has increased with 250%, well that's objective... ;)

Hmm, I don't know exactly where I stand on this issue. First of all, I have to wonder if the sudden whirlwind of media excitement isn't just a bunch of bluff to cover the "scandal" that's going on right now saying that GW Bush knew the attacks were coming and didn't do anything about it. But on the other hand, the 24 air patrols over NYC have been resumed, and that's a big case of put your money where your mouth is...it isn't cheap, but I guess conceivably if you want to go with the whole theory that he's trying to cover his butt...he may be going whole hog. I am not a supporter of President Bush, and I haven't been from the very beginning, but I still don't see how he can be held personally responsible for not foreseeing the first attacks. And yes I did say FIRST. Because here's the thing....we are at war with Afghanistan, and as Americans, we have come to think of war as something that happens "over there." Well, we may have just picked the one place that will fight back, and on our soil. I think this is something no one thinks of when they start talking about attacking other countries anymore.
Also...as for the deportation of Muslims. I live in a tiny little town in N. Florida, not what all of you think of when you think of Florida. We are a small farming community, with a highway that runs thru the middle providing us with a constant flow of transient tourists. However, we have a huge population of Muslim Arabs. They have been here for years, and own businesses and support the community with their money. When 9/11 first happened, I'm afraid it got a little hot for them here. I think it was the fact that some of the terrorist involved were from Florida, and lived in the communities for awhile, and never bothered anyone. With the extreme national wounded pride and emotional damage that was done, it was easy to look for targets. It has settled back down, and everyone is fine again, but it was rough for a while. I don't think the answer is sending them all back where they came from. On a side note...with everyone who bad-mouths the American education system...we sure have a lot of foreign students, don't we...lol.
I don't really have any answers as you can tell. But for people in other countries who tend to say sometimes that we got what we deserved....I don't think so. This wasn't an attack that was aimed at military or government targets. I know that the Pentagon was hit, but that was small beans compared to the Twin Towers. This was an attack that was aimed at wounding American citizens, not damaging our military power. It was meant to demoralize America, and I don't think it did.
It is frightening to me to turn on the television every morning now and hear the added news bulletins and terror updates and raised security levels. I know it doesn't help, and I know it won't happen....but I wish it would all just stop.

Deb :(

debwalin i never said ,or even thought of sending them all back where they came from. if you want to see examples of arab communities look at brooklyn and paterson. both of these have a larger population of arab people than 99% of the citys in any arab nation. these are americans and nobody is questioning their loyality. muslims died in the trade centers too and not just the hi-jackers. i just think our immigration policy will change if things get ruff and alot of student/work visas will get cancelled.

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Yep! secretfires right we can all go back to sleep. and besides, if we take it apon ourselves to try an stop a terrorist an innocent person might get hurt.

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No, if we take it apon ourselves to spend too many resources fighting "terrorists" (the number of times it's been used in the media to describe just about anything necessitates the use of quotes) we lower our own quality of life an unacceptable amount. The illusion of safety shouldn't be held sacred while everything else is sacrificed. Yes, some additional security is necessary, but compromising privacy, the economy and numerous other things is too high a price to pay for a little peace of mind. A proper balance is required, and unfortunately the US government hasn't done a good job of balancing.

Hmm, if you don't mind innocent people getting hurt, why do you care so much about security? The "innocent" (by the way, who decides who is innocent and how innocent they are?) should be reasonably protected, but some of the security measures are much too extreme to be anything but bad for citizens. With some of these new security laws/efforts, the government is becoming the "terrorist".

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."

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Dr Toker i do believe if the **** hits the fan we'll she a major change in attitude. i don't think any action would be taken against the existing arab community, but i think it would be likely all those who came into this country within the last..say 6-12 months might be escorted out.

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Tedob1, I'm sorry, I misunderstood that comment.

Deb :D

I think the government is encouraging a fatalistic
and paranoic view of this.
If the USA was really a "great" nation, they wouldn't
encourage us to think of ourselves as victims,
waiting helplessly for more outrages to be
perpetrated against us.

Everyone has extreme and contradictory notions
of what the USA is like.

If we were as agressive as our critics think,
6 or 7 islamic capital cities would have been
smoking radioactive ruins by evening of
sept 11.

On the other hand, our willingness to fight
has sometimes been underestimated
by adversaries. In WWII, it seems that both
germany and japan considered the USA to be
a soft luxury-loving bunch of clowns who couldn't
stomach a fight.

Our incompetent meddling in foreign affairs
has become legendary in the post-WWII era,
but people forget that there is still a strong
tradition of isolationism (to which I wish we would return)

If we stopped trying to solve the world's problems,
the europeans would be the first ones to
complain that we aren't doing our duty.
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4 Arab stowaways on a freighter from the middle east escaped custody of local law enforcement in Maryland, 2 of them were on the terrorist watch list.

A tanker truck filed with chemical fertilizer was hi-jacked by arab speaking thugs in New jersey.

A man tried to light explosive that was hidden in his sneaker on a passenger airliner. (I think this was out of Newark.)

I cannot be made to feel like a helpless victim, I am an angry man, and these things are just a few of the better know incidents, not paranoid delusions. None of us needed dot gov to tell us these things are coming nor are we cowering in fear because they are.

Agreed the US Government is taking this opportunity to tighten its grip on the people, invade all of our privacies and knock down existing laws to benefit their sponsers in big biz. no one is denying this and I am actively involved in fighting it.

I wasn’t really accusing anyone of being innocent I was just using the words to my own selfish end. But as to who decides who’s innocent and to what degree, that’s easy, I do. Its me and mine. It’s the 4 THOUSAND people murdered on sept 11th because they went to work. It is not the man wearing a bomb or the people who hide him/her and fund his/her actions.

One could say: the enemy considers them and theirs in the same light...I don’t give a ****.

RC your right isolationism is the only right thing to do, and they can stick that ‘amero’ their planning up their collective asses.

I never supported the idea of deporting Muslims. It goes against everything we stand for. It goes against what we were founded on. All men are created equal. Deporting Muslims/Arabs is absurd.

I was looking at national security in mind. The tightening of the grip as Tedob1 put it. I am pretty much willing to give up a reasonable amount of privacy, if a "Terrorist" action gets stopped.Which brings me to this point. I suppose we should use another word for terrorist.
How about A person who wages war on a nation by targeting mainly civilians. Is that better?
I dont think I need to write out a 3 page long essay about what a ****in terrorist is. And if you don't know, WAIT! They will soon hate you as well. Tell Some Islam Extreamist about The Church of Satan, I'm sure they would LOVE that one. Maybe I should call the Terrorist a "Physical Jihad-ist". Because Jihad is much much more than killing without mercy. BUT it does include the killing of Jews.

Neg, your a smart guy, you must surely see the obviousness of the word terrorist. I think you were being over technical.
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Terrorism – the deliberate targeting of civilians – must be absolutely forbidden, regardless of the legitimacy or justice of its goals. The ends do not justify the means. By carrying out terrorist attacks, the perpetrators make themselves the enemies of all mankind
http://www.ict.org.il/articles/artic...?articleid=393

I agree that being vigilant does not equate to vigilante-like acts, and we do need to be careful about how we look at our fellow Americans. We certainly don't need to start accusing innocent citizens of crimes or activities they have not committed - civil unrest is started for much less...

Having said that and coming from a prior military and law enforcement background, a certain amount of "profiling" is necessary in order to identify threats. Now "profiling", as the popular media term goes, is a valid investigative tool - as long as it is not the only evidence used to effect an arrest or detention.

http://specter6.50megs.com/Funnies/ProfileThisBitch.htm

Nuff said 'bout that.

But should I find somebody in the act of causing bodily harm or worse in the name of their cause against my country, I have no problem making them a martyr...