" Hacking is the art of using your knowledge to gain more knowledge "
What do you say about that...?
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" Hacking is the art of using your knowledge to gain more knowledge "
What do you say about that...?
It is wrong to obtain knowlege that way. What about the issues of privacy? People who hack for knowlege are cheating, there is so much out there that can be accessed without breaking any laws.If they really want to learn there are better ways of doing it.
I don't want to be rude but who sayd anything about breacking laws or this kind of stuf
And hacking is knowledge...
"may the Force be with you"
lol, like bizaro said, where does breaking laws and invading privacy come in here? he's just trying to push the boundry's of what is defined as "hacking".Quote:
Originally posted here by lostit44
It is wrong to obtain knowlege that way. What about the issues of privacy? People who hack for knowlege are cheating, there is so much out there that can be accessed without breaking any laws.If they really want to learn there are better ways of doing it.
by his definition, i would be hacking if i used my knoledge of programming to solve a problem for me. that way i would gain the knoledge of the answer through my knoledge of programming.
now, as for the topic itself:
i like that definition, as it includes the curent idea of hacking as well as broadening it. think about it, with each current-day hack, one would gain some knoledge, weather it be technique(what usually works and what doesnt) or whatever, there is always going to be some knoledge gain.
for anybody who would slam me anti-points wise for this, a hack need not be illegal. that is all.
hacking is hacking... if u break the law ur a criminal... if don't break the law ur not... but u can in theory still be a hacker. u can be a carpenter and hacker, even if u don't know anything about computers... hacking is an ideology... what we computer ppl add to the hackers ethics when using it with computers is the nethics (or also known as the netiquette, if that's how it's spelled :P )
so to make a long story short (yea I know it's too late :) ): BiZaRo: ur definition of hacking is actually quite good. the funny thing is... u can also hack without being a hacker... just like u can smoke pot without being a hippie :P bad example but still :)
How should others be able to learn, or hold knowlege, we cannot? after all we are all supposedly equals. Hacking has gotten a bad name, as you all should know, its not to do wiht sub7, spyware or cracking, but outsmarting teh ppl who try to contain the knowlege from"us" and i dont use teh term us as hackers but you aswell.
Bear wiht me im going on a rant!::
The devil was once meant to hold somthing that goD couldnt give us, if all teh things in the commandments are bad, why? why should it be possible to break thouse rules if we so shall wish, after all we all have our own capacity for reason, and to learn or experience new things. is the only rules their for god to look over his flock, and give him a feeling of self worth because of the fact he knows more than us.
I know its a bad example i have no need to strike down a fellow man or to commit adultery, but as any scientist would tell you some rules can be broken, and why should any adult need rules to keep inline, i know that some ppl break severe rules like murder rape, and those ppl should nt be tolerated, but hackers act to learn and better themselves, even teenagers rebel agianst some for of oppression and that is also alone teh same lines as.
My point
The sufferagettes rebelled against oppression and a set of rules given to them by men, not women, how should they comform to a set of rules, they dont agree wiht and that is unfair for their communtiy, a rule set to oppress them.
im not a sadist, or a man hater, iam a man everything said was to explain things hte way i see it.
preep
{did i make any sense?}
preep: are u saying it's ok to break the law if ur just trying to learn? that's bullsh*t! there's nearly always another way to learn the same thing without being thrown in jail for it... if u don't respect the laws u will eventually be jailed and then u wont learn anything anymore. Laws can be really *****ed up and lame sometimes but breaking them wont correct them, if u wanna change the legal system go into politics or join some serious internet communities :) knowledge belongs to us all, yes, but so does the right for a civilized world... and a world where ppl say "***** the law!" will never be civilized.
btw. r u an anarchist? kinda sounds like it.
nope not at all
I like your ideas
Great minds... :)
But I don't support breacking the law
I support free minds and the race for knowledge
Are you talking about laws? And what if you're "legally" hacked by orgs i don't need to name? Have laws any sense in that case? They're trying to control our existence, Don't forget it! Not by the Net, but other media, like personal chips or "human-gps". If they do all these things, do you really think they deserve our respect?
bluepnrc:
they may not deserve respect but if u break the law what makes u better than them?
it's all a question about moral... and u can beat them without risking ur future...
but if u find it to be "uber kewl j33t h4x0r style" to illegally break into system then I suggest u go and find a cracker forum instead (or take the time to learn about hacker ethics).
and no... "they" don't try to control our existance... they just don't give a ***** about us... there's a very very big difference. The big players do what they do to get more money and more power and don't care how many little ppl they crush on their way to the top.
and if u feel the laws needs changing then change them.. don't break them... u don't need to be an ******* to be a politician (even though most politicians are lmao :D )
(ok I'm gonna go and relax now... I'm starting to sound like some *****ing preacher... not nice... PEACE!)
Yeah
Ther's a point
If you breack the law= prizon
If you stay calme =lame and all gove you bad days
What should we do?
My opinion.
Acumulate knowledge and use it for make things right
Becouse that's what hacking is all about no?
Imagine that you bought a car, and found a sign
on the door to the engine compartment:
"This car contains an engine protected by the following
patents #203ejdhr and #qwerty.
You are not permitted to open this compartment,
or to examine the contents of this engine.
Do not attempt repairs.
Violation of this EULA (End User License Agreement)
may result in termination of your priveliges."
Hacking, loosely defined, is the attempt to
"take things apart", and examine them
to see how they work.
Maybe some people don't want you to know
how your internet browser actually
works its magic, finding sites and displaying
their contents on the screen.
Maybe they regret the fact that HTML
is an open standard, that you can examine the
source code of web pages.
Maybe they also wish we couldn't read and
write, so that all useful knowledge can be
"owned" by some corporation.
:cool:
rcgreen:
yea... well just cuz a company says u can't doesn't mean u can't (ok that didn't make any sence)
what I mean is.. as a consumer u have rights.. I honestly believe that if they were dumb enough to sue some1 for doing a thing like that they would loose... it violates some other laws... what u are talking about will never happen... we (the ppl, the consumers) still "own" the companies.. we can kill 'em just by not buyin their products... or some1 else will make a car company which doesn't use such techniques... u see what I mean?
with software it's a bit harder though (and that's probably what ur thinking about right?)
just take 2600 for an example... software is harder cuz ppl can't relate it to something else..
ok... enough babling for me tonight... gotta crash and get some sleep... I'll defend my strange over-tired thoughts tomorrow :)rcgreen:
yea... well just cuz a company says u can't doesn't mean u can't (ok that didn't make any sence)
what I mean is.. as a consumer u have rights.. I honestly believe that if they were dumb enough to sue some1 for doing a thing like that they would loose... it violates some other laws... what u are talking about will never happen... we (the ppl, the consumers) still "own" the companies.. we can kill 'em just by not buyin their products... or some1 else will make a car company which doesn't use such techniques... u see what I mean?
with software it's a bit harder though (and that's probably what ur thinking about right?)
just take 2600 for an example... software is harder cuz ppl can't relate it to something else..
ok... enough babling for me tonight... gotta crash and get some sleep... I'll defend my strange over-tired thoughts tomorrow :)
upz.. dunno what happende there... got that posted twice.. in the same.. lol... as I said... sleeepp... zzzZZzzzzz
http://dgl.microsoft.com/mgo1en/eula.aspQuote:
Limitations on Reverse Engineering, Decompilation, and Disassembly. You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Software, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation.
They're trying to tell me that I am forbidden to figure out
how the software works.
I bet this language would not be defensible in court.
:cool:
i bet it would be because you clicked "agree" when you installed it :rolleyes:
Learning to advance knowledge is good, if you use that knowledge for illegal activities that is not good.
But as this site proves hacking can be used for security reasons more than for gain of illegal knowledge.
rcgreen:
like 8*B@LL said... if u clicked agree they can sue u...
but then again... how the hell are they gonna find out? and they use the same tactics when making software... take some other proggies - reverse engineer them - and make ur own improved version... just don't tell any1 if u do it hehe :D
the laws will probably be changed in the future so u can legally reverse engineer (for educational purposes only of course :P ).. but then agian.. in the future everything is gonna be open-source hehe :)
Ho ho ho
This has gone to far for me
I diddn't post this to argue about making something legal or ilegal
I asked only opinions about my quote remember?
Anyway if I don't support breacking the law it's didn't means that I have to be blind and if a sign says "eat $it" I'm gonna do it
It's not god to break the law but some thimes you got to find a way to outsmart it whith diplomacy and to fight with his own guns. If you don't understand a thing on what I just writed no problem.
The point is that everything on this world has a way for exit.
got my point?
I didn't :)
/me jumps to the first page and has a look
" Hacking is the art of using your knowledge to gain more knowledge "
ahh... right... yup... think this thread has gone far enough... lmao :D
:mad:
and who amongst you who do not break the law of nature. Face it!Quote:
May the god of wisdom shares with you his wit.!!!!
<rant>NOTE: 5% of all hackers are caught.
By hackers, I mean the ones who write software, for the fun of it. I mean the ones who slip into computers, and let the admins know how they got in, and how to fix it. We (ethical hackers) do it both for the thrill, and because we believe that it's the right thing to do. Without ethical hackers, many admins wouldn't know about their security holes, and eventually a more malicious entity would find the hole, exploit it, and trash the system. What would you prefer? Being hacked by ethical hackers? Or script kiddies? Ethical hackers want to learn the most they can about computers in a whole lifetime. Criminal hackers* deserve to be caught and jailed. Honestly, if someone asks how to "hax0r h0tmai1", I'll tell them to go away and learn something useful. I know that there are many sysadmins who read AO. Well, if you're one of those sysadmins, keep in mind, you *will* be hacked. It just depends *who* hacks you.</rant>
Keep the flame-o-meter low.
-phly
*Criminal hacker -- "But all hackers are criminals!" you say. Well, that definition was created by the government. IMHO, criminal hackers are the ones who trash systems for the fun of it. Hackers are the good guys.
You've all posted valid points, even if this has gone too far. :)
But, getting back to the point of which this post was started for, I believe that is a very good quote for this generation and those to come.
If people understood that, then the media wouldn't be able to give hackers such a bad name. It's applicable in all ways of life, albeit possibly moreso in the computer scene. Everyone just needs to understand that.Quote:
Hacking is the art of using your knowledge to gain more knowledge
The police or FBI would never arrest someone who breaks into a system doesn't do anything but clear his trace and patch the hole, and tell the company. He did his good deed for the day. But one who breaks into a computer network, steals credit card information, steals important data, destroys it, and does other things, those are the people who white hats stop, and those are the people who go to jail.
BTW: You can hack into a system and not break the law, war game :).
I think that n01 have the rigth to invade other person privacy. But there are some aspects that are in the boundaries of the law for me, like defacing websites with child porn contents and related.
For security purposes should a sys/hacker try to break in in his/her own network/server and seek for bugs before someone does? Definitively, YES!!!
And if this is the purpose of using your knowledge to gain more knowledge, i think that's fair enougth for me.
But this is just my humble opinion.
Fight child porn!!!
Ey! lemme ask some questions. How do FBI, IT secured companies etc... defend their systems when they would not know how they were attacked. The point is, we all know that the internet is vulnerable to hack, considering that hackers and crackers could be your enemy. damn one has just got to know his enemy and his enemies tactics so one could defend oneself. Hacking, for me, is not always as it was believed to many a destruction. then what is it? I lost my password on the VB made Enrollment system that i am a part of making it. Though, i made the security **** system, instead i used MS Access's .chw to protect user's passwords. i eventually paniqued when i could not log in as the "admin". So i need to hack my own system to get trough it. So i am a tresspasser to my own land. But f dont do that, i'll crash and the system too.
This is an instance where hacking is not destruction. Think about it.
Think of Anti viruses.... How could they be prevented /when you do not you where it attacks you and how..... man come to think....
:D anyway these are my opinions.... :rolleyes:Quote:
may the [shadow]gods[/shadow] and [blur]goddesses[/blur] be with you.
I do not support cracking. But yes hacking is the use of knowelge to gain more knowelge. I guess to back it up you could say: If you steal a book from barnes and nobles you use knowelge to steal it in order to gain more knowelge.
...stealing takes no knoledge...all it takes is the ability to put a book in a bag or drop it down your pants or something then walk out the door. no knoledge there.
use your knowledge for good and thus avoid the legal issues.
I agree with this topic. Hacking is expanding knowledge by appling knowledge you know.
I see that my point is not only my point.
Wel done and I hope all think the same way
But every action we do has two sides , one bad and one good.
my advise.
Everything you do try to make more good than bad things