HyperTechnologies Deep Freeze

How can i crack the Deep Freeze admin pass?

lol it is biggest bull program ever....my school has it i got thru in no time i disabbled it and left them a nice little msg for the admins to read :)....they had kicks 1 of them is really cool the otehr 2 are idiots bleh well all u have to do is do cnt-c's at boot up b4 it loads deepfreeze it will talk ya to the safe mode menu go into dos from there u have to edit win.ini the line that boots deepfreeze....just place 'REM infront of it and it wont start up. that way when u are done doing whatever u are doing u can let deepfreeze load once again wiht what ever changes u wanted on the PC but make sure to enable it once again or the admins WILL notice and make a fuss that could get u suspended. so in short u dont need admin pass for it u cna bypass deepfreeze completly :) hope i helped

Yep you did...

heh, I still want their pass...
But whatever..

Anyone know how I can het supe on a novell network?

and yeah, the admins are slow... really slow. (I've asked them for an admin account, but I didn't get one) :(

lol i dont believe they would just give u one but if u got one i dont think they would know how to change the permissions on ur user and if u got a privellaged enough account u could give multi ppl accounts certain privelages that only and admin would have yet that user would not have to be in the admin list...that way u would not draw attention towards u by using admin and the logs would look short. and yet u could do as u wished i am assuming the network is based on NTFS windows4.0 nt or ms 2k

tsk...script kiddies.
#attach.flame.proff.suit

DOH!....hey just cuz we gotta get thru security to install programs like dreamweaver and games...i hate deepfreeze so i found out how to get thru and so i did....i havent done anything to be called a kidie script! :(....i just try to help out wiht something that can be frustrating. i have admin rights over most of the school netowrk and the wanna be techie of an admin that i dont know where in hell did he get his mcse proabably in the stone age and hasnt gottn it updated doesnt know wot he is doing trust me if i was a kiddie the network would be in shammbles.

thanks...

Do anyone know when the next Sub7 v is shipping?
LOL

lol...yea how about hackattck?....heheeh last time i heard of sub seven it was in beta stages :P

morfius: we are waiting for your response

*nods*

btw, nice sig morfius :)

You guys can always check out what was said about DeepFreeze in the Product Reviews forum. With that said...

DeepFreeze is pretty good. What you're describing is that they installed it wrong. If you set it up right in the first place, it's pretty good at it's job. In other words, the administrator must have edited msdos.sys to DISABLE the booting-to-safemode or booting to DOS, and they must also enact a bios password and disable booting from a floppy or CD-rom.

I'm afraid you only got past it because they goofed.

Morphius:

#Include <kiddie_spellcheck.h>

The way Deep Freeze works (as far as I have tested and experienced (in a cyber cafe))

Deepfreeze makes a mem resident copy of the File Allocation Table,
you are allowed to write 2 the disk, it is just never allocated to the FAT,
next reboot, the files r turned into garbage (same as deleting, no link in FAT = no file)

So you could find out what someone installed last boot

I agree with Terr, DeepFreeze is one hella good program, if used correctly..

the JinX

And you guys seriously belive that admins on norwegian schools can handle anything else than MS word correctly?

Chances are some of us will need to install Deep freeze some were along the line so its important that we know weather 10 year olds can just edit ini files or if it takes a little knowledge to get past. So if what the_Jinx said you should just be able to back up the fat table and restore it next time you boot up. Of course this would most likely fail if other people are moving files around or installing software.

There are a bunch of free programs that can back up fat tables. Norton Utilities can to if you have it.

Of course there’s always the uber l337 way of doing things.

The following was blatantly ripped of from (the complete PC upgrade and maintenance guide) <= it’s a book; you know the things made from paper.

How to back up your master boot record using DEBUG

1.
DEBUG_MBR.DAT
You will see a file not found message because the files didn’t exist before. Don’t worry about the message.

2.
A
This tells debug that you want to assemble something.

3.
MOV_DX,9000
This command tells debug to move the value of segment 9000 to the register DX. Since you can’t write anything to a register, you have to move this information to and extra segment.

4.
MOV_EX,DX
This command moves any information in register DX to the extra segment (called ES).

5.
XOR_BX,BX
BX is the offset; Xor is a programming trick to set it to zero.

6.
MOVE_CX,0001
This command stores the value of track 0 and sector 1 in register CX.

7.
MOVE_DX,0080
Here, you’re storing the information at head 0 of drive 80(you’re hard drive, a: is 01)

8.
MOVE_AX,0201
This command tells debug to read 1 sector

9.
INT_13
This is the bios disk call

10.
INT_20
This tells the bios “I’m done!”

11.
Press enter

12.
G
Runs the program. When its dome you should see a message that says program terminated normally.

13.
R_CX
This command ask debug to show you the value of register CX and lets you edit it.

14.
200
This is the size of the files that debug will write


15.
W_9000:00

16.
TYPE Q TO EXIT DEBUG.

Now its time to restore

1.
DEBUG_MBR.DAT
This time if you get a file not found message stop and exit debug (type q)

2.
L_9000:0
to direct debug to load the information to 9000:0

3.
A
Lets debug know you want to assemble a files

4.
MOVE_DX,9000

5.
MOVE_ES,DX

6.
XOR_BX,BX

7.
MOV_CX,0001

8.
MOVE_DX,0080

9.
MOV_AX,0301
This command tells debug that you want to write 1 sector

10.
INT_13

11.
INT_20

12.
press enter to stop entering commands

13. G runs the program

14. Q to exit debug.

Ok one time it tried this it worked the other time my computer got royally f**ked.

lol.. Well as far as being a skript kiddie because your trying to defeat your school admin... Well I don't think that applys. I mean.. How many of YOU did the same thing while you were in school. ;) Heh.. I know I did.. and i guess that helped me know what I know about computers today.. (not to mention changeing my english grade) lol

changing grades is kinda lame.. isn't it?

not when it determines if you pass or fail.. I always have to look out for number one. And I only did it once.

So becouse you're better with comps than the school admins you cant fail a class?

At the that particular moment.. yup...

hehe

Well, Its kinda eazy going by u're school...
Either that, or you were hiding your tracks with perfection.

respect
:D

This was in my 10th grade of high school.. Considering that was 6 years ago and I have college degrees now.. I think I did a pretty good job.. ;)

Do I regret doing it? Not really..

Would I do it again? Nope.. Don't need to now that I have a clear head. (something I lacked in High School)

Well, u managed to pass u're english later then. Passing is a beutiful thing :) keep it up

Um, btw... what was the subject we started with here...? :D

madness u form ft lauderdale? cool i am form miami :)...oh by hte way the school security is way tighter now. once u actually get to find a hole u would get caught easily

Yeah very tru.. When I was in school the only thing they used was foolproof on macs and a simple login password on windows (if even that) most pc's were just "open". Most of the teachers knew that I knew alot about computers and would always call me out of class to help them fix their computers. So all the teachers and admins were used to seeing me on all their computers. :) I used to get about 100 requests a day to change grades. I never did though. (Nobody knew that I did either) heh

As far as I'm concerned, chances are, the 'admins' of schools are either teachers who haven't had the ability to disassemble a program (aka do anything you can think of with it) or they only do 'admin' work part-time which means they don't care really what happens, or it's higher grade kid who's an assistant of sorts and is trying to learn through the proper channels BUT isn't wise to the ways of 'script kiddies', who's main goal in life is to bypass, break, or otherwise get-around a program. Props to these two for at least not BO'ing the boxes, heh although it'd have been funny if the 'admin' BOed the client pcs and had the server on his own, assuming his is locked down like nobody's business.

Problem with public PCs is that they're available for anyone and that's significantly more than just 1 or 2 admins to fix it up. A program like DeepFreeze can only be efficient if it's set up right, and for whoever it was trying to "crack" the password, know that passwords can't be 'gleaned' from any file or whatnot. It's a phrase encrypted with the salt comparison test.

damn another floridian how many of us are there in AO?

Jinx:

Well, I've meditated on the DeepFreeze inner working (purely hypothetically) for quite some time. The problem with a memory FAT is that the program lets you "delete" things, therefore if it was a simple FAT in mem, you would be able to physically overwrite data on the disk.

I believe it takes a copy of the FAT on bootup, and then uses this Virtual FAT as the "active" system, except with a few changes. The VFAT does NOT delete things normally. It maintains some system to keep "deleted" sectors from being overwritten. The real FAT is never touched at all after the point of copying.

Then when you reboot, it takes a copy of the FAT on the disk (which wasn't changed at all...)

Good thinking Terr. It has to handle deleting things differently or it would have a very high failure rate and screw things up every time the OS wrote some new data to the disk.

hehe remmeber it is windows u dont need other programs to screw it up :)

I think my school has something like DeepFreeze if not it. I know they used to have it because it used to appear in the little programs thing beside the time in the lower right hand corner. The little icon is not there anymore. Whenever I download something off the net (like MSN), it goes on but then when I sign off it is not there on the computer anymore. It would help if I could disable this program too.

Ha, i must say this is one of the more interesting threads i've read today. My school didnt even bother with any real form of
security. We ran mostly win95 computers with Novell Netware. We would log in as we were instructed by the lab teaches as
lab212 or 213. Those two logins were restriced to only use port 80/http. I wanted to get to telnet, and more importantly use their
very fast internet connection to dl a few mp3s to listen to during class. I got the bright idea from reading a text file somewhere to
swipe the PWL files and crack them using Cain. After about a week of snooping on various computers in the labs, guidance office,
and a few teachers rooms, I got two teachers accounts, both guidance counselors and the secretary (all of which could change
grades and classes ) The best of all was getting Admin, which had an unbelievably simple 5 char password. I considered tweaking
my grades by a few points just to see if i could be done, but then I remembered that they did a tape backup every week that was stored
at the county school board office, so I decided against it.

lol kinda liek my middle school years ago....i think CAin installs a trojan while cracking password i think

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Originally posted here by emrys
lol kinda liek my middle school years ago....i think CAin installs a trojan while cracking password i think

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Then it was eiter added after the version I have, or taken out before, because I keep AVG up to date and it never found any traces of a trojan. Although I dont really use cain anymore, I use Lopht Crack cause its the only thing that I found that runs in Win2KPro.