All Newbies asking how to hack computers, PLEASE Read!

An interesting article that sadly is too true :(

http://neworder.box.sk/newsread.php?newsid=4321

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It seems to me lately, that all too often teenagers, kids basically, around my age actually, get arrested all the time. They are caught tampering with systems, launching simple denial of service attacks, and all too much url-jacking. These people aren't interested in it because it stimulates them intellectually, or because it's challenging, they do it, in my opinion, because they are looking for one or more of the following things.

1. Social status
2. As an outlet for anger
3. For fun
4. To rebel
5. For revenge
6. For practice
7. Profit

........This isn‘t about those rare souls, it’s about the i33t d00dz, who are giving hackers a bad name..........

.........And please, if you ever meet an i33t d00d asking you for a tool to break his friends computer, take a second to tell him that it’s just not right, and maybe suggest some intelligent reading, you just might make an impact on the kid........

Thank you! Very good! Bravo! *cheers*

the social status reason is very true. a kid in high school a couple years ago took down the local isp for a few hours. despite the punishments i think he enjoyed the notoriety he received from it.

Very good post Scorp666, thats great incite on whats really happening. You deserve greenies!

I agree totaly with gregory_a_e. But i think its wrong to take the piss out of the kids. He says he blames them and wants to help them by making information available to them all in the one post witch doesnt make sence (to me n e way :). Not all net users start off on the rite track. So its hardly supprising that they r into bad ass **** and getting arrested. For example my 1st computer may have been a stolen 386 with next to no ram or HDD. And my 1st isp account may have been carded with someone elses card. I think its all to do with lifestyle b 4 they get n e where neer a computer that determans what sorta net citizen they will be. No ammount of information is going to make tham have second thoughts. Only time will change who they r and what there into. The tools these kids are using cant be blamed and trying to make it harder for them to get wont help much either.

please excuse alllll my spelling mistakes and bad grammer. ( i failed english :[ )

I have to agree with CGI_BIN to an extent. There are lot's of posts out there that just teach the "how-to's" without talking about the moral standings of a real hacker and the reward of illegal activity.

However, I think what he was trying to say was something along the lines of "Talk to them about the real integrity of hackers, what they're there for, and how important they are to the security world. Furthermore, if you don't have the skill to talk to them about it, send them to a page that DOES talk about the moral obligations of a true hacker." (there ARE pages out there that do a good job of explaining this). And perhaps we CAN make a difference in their lives by doing so. (that's the way I read it anyway)

In the end, maybe jail time is what "kiddies" need to grow them up to be real hackers. :) It's sad to say, but some people actually need the extreme to develop into their greatest potental.

Just a thought...

Rev

PS This site is great! It's good to be here! :)

oh I wasn't trying to tell them to do anything, they can **** with the FBI if they please. I liked the article and thought you guys might like it too.

As of Jailtime, poor kids will be hacked but not electronically :D
And it will be damn hard to close their ports lmao

Yay! I hope every script kiddie and lammer reads that. Oh yeah, don't that newbies are the ones asking "How to hack hotmail?" or "How to hack hotmail?" Those are script kiddies and lammers. NEwbies are the ones new to the hacking scene, and their goal, like most of ours, is to learn.

Yay! I hope every script kiddie and lammer reads that. Oh yeah, don't that newbies are the ones asking "How to hack hotmail?" or "How to hack hotmail?" Those are script kiddies and lammers. NEwbies are the ones new to the hacking scene, and their goal, like most of ours, is to learn.

w00t great post :)....that is the truth as a newb (which i am still) i dont ask to hack hotmail(i already know how to do that ) hehe i learn about ports and linux and how to use appliaction like telnet and firewalls and wot run them the code the function all that is wot drives me not to be cool....that comes naturally :P ...jk but one last point but not least to find actual intellignce among the hacking underground it is awesmome ot be able ot tlak to pl about anyhitng not just computer and they are knowledgable it is great

w00t great post :)....that is the truth as a newb (which i am still) i dont ask to hack hotmail(i already know how to do that ) hehe i learn about ports and linux and how to use appliaction like telnet and firewalls and wot run them the code the function all that is wot drives me not to be cool....that comes naturally :P ...jk but one last point but not least to find actual intellignce among the hacking underground it is awesmome ot be able ot tlak to pl about anyhitng not just computer and they are knowledgable it is great

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oh I wasn't trying to tell them to do anything, they can f--- with the FBI if they please. I liked the article and thought you guys might like it too.

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Scorp666,

It was a great article, sure but do you realize how much difference is made in the way security nfo is being presented?

Sure... There are bad seeds out there that are going to do whatever, whenever they please (and they'll get their just rewards). On the other hand, there are lots of impressionable minds out there that will go whichever way they perceive the rest of the hacking world is going... The more and more shadows that are cast on us, the more it seems to the outside world that we are "evil" people.

It seems rather lame (not being offensive) to ignore that. The media is starting to play us as the leeches of society. What happens when the political world finds a way to use that as leverage in their struggle for popularity? This presents a serious problem that needs serious answers...

If we want to survive without the worry of political morons making life difficult for us (and ironically, all "in the name of security"), then we have to organize and dispatch some type of effort to educate people in a more character-defining manner (I would at least hope that the phrase "intelligent reading" wasn't being attributed to something of Dr. Seus' collection). It seems to me that the point of the article was that we need to be aware, weary, and objective in regards to this onslaught of bad publicity...

In all, it was a great article and you've got my vote on it. Peace.

Rev

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oh I wasn't trying to tell them to do anything, they can f--- with the FBI if they please. I liked the article and thought you guys might like it too.

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Scorp666,

It was a great article, sure but do you realize how much difference is made in the way security nfo is being presented?

Sure... There are bad seeds out there that are going to do whatever, whenever they please (and they'll get their just rewards). On the other hand, there are lots of impressionable minds out there that will go whichever way they perceive the rest of the hacking world is going... The more and more shadows that are cast on us, the more it seems to the outside world that we are "evil" people.

It seems rather lame (not being offensive) to ignore that. The media is starting to play us as the leeches of society. What happens when the political world finds a way to use that as leverage in their struggle for popularity? This presents a serious problem that needs serious answers...

If we want to survive without the worry of political morons making life difficult for us (and ironically, all "in the name of security"), then we have to organize and dispatch some type of effort to educate people in a more character-defining manner (I would at least hope that the phrase "intelligent reading" wasn't being attributed to something of Dr. Seus' collection). It seems to me that the point of the article was that we need to be aware, weary, and objective in regards to this onslaught of bad publicity...

In all, it was a great article and you've got my vote on it. Peace.

Rev

When i went to school al we had were bbc's and Acorns they were top i still have my own Spectrum.

To article i strongly agree!

When i went to school al we had were bbc's and Acorns they were top i still have my own Spectrum.

To article i strongly agree!

I like to be perceived as Evil :D Let's say I like to be distinct from the masses...
I am aware that politicians in the US are focusing on "Security", I sincerely doubt they will ever manage to control real hackers though as they know how to hack and what to hack...

SKiddies are kids and kids often do stupid things ( I was a kid once :D ) I can only hope they won't have to deal with the law to get a clue...

I agree a Newbie isn't a lamer or script kiddie... I posted it here cause that is where I saw the most kiddie type questions so far... No offense to legit newbies that often aren't newbie at security but only newbie on this site :)

I like to be perceived as Evil :D Let's say I like to be distinct from the masses...
I am aware that politicians in the US are focusing on "Security", I sincerely doubt they will ever manage to control real hackers though as they know how to hack and what to hack...

SKiddies are kids and kids often do stupid things ( I was a kid once :D ) I can only hope they won't have to deal with the law to get a clue...

I agree a Newbie isn't a lamer or script kiddie... I posted it here cause that is where I saw the most kiddie type questions so far... No offense to legit newbies that often aren't newbie at security but only newbie on this site :)

Am only newbie on the site the only reason is cayse i joined and forgot about this lol only realised last night

Am only newbie on the site the only reason is cayse i joined and forgot about this lol only realised last night

*wipes eyes* so sad, but so true. All kids are looking for is acceptace from their peers, and I guess they find this as a way to impress them. They do not want to gain knowledge.

which is stupid cuz knowledge IS power no matter wot some1 tells ya i know i hate it when ppl tlak about something and i have no *****ing clue....that is maybe the reason i started on Pc's most of my friends are either hackers or computer wizzes that odnt like the label and just dont care for security....well cuz of them i was motivated to learn about ocmputers and since them i actually understand and bring up things they have no clue about it feels great to not be completly ignorant

Scorp!! i'm proud of you!! being serious for once. I'm definitly sending some greenies your way!

Its great to see such acceptance of us "newbies" here. I've been to way too many sites where all the senior people do is flame the beginners, which really discourages them from actualy putting forth effort to learn.

Props to everyone on great posts and very open minds.

Flame flame flame flame flame flame flame flame flame!
I don't flame newbies, I flame people who post ridiculous things about AO clocks being too fast. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE! :)

If I may, I'd like to echo Syini666 comments about the acceptance of "newbies". I've learned a great deal already just reading the stuff y'all are posting - mostly the attitude that no question is a stupid question if you don't know the answer. Thanks for making this old broad feel welcome...

well there will always be script kiddies why cant they just take time 2 learn and use there knowledge for good

Very good post! It's sad but true... like prodikal said there will always be script |{1|)|)13$ but there is nothing really you can do. Yeah, you can take the time and explain to them how to change but do you think it'll work? Doubt it!

Again good post!

See "How to Become a Hacker" http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html