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Can somebody please tell me why would a real hacker be interested in hacking the average home computer?
How would they find your specific computer amid all the millions
of computers on the net?
I am realy interested to know this has been bothering me for some time
thanks
Mike/Manveru
Can somebody please tell me why would a real hacker be interested in hacking the average home computer?
How would they find your specific computer amid all the millions
of computers on the net?
I am realy interested to know this has been bothering me for some time
thanks
Mike/Manveru
For practice, to learn and to have bragging rights.
I don't agree with it and this is why even the average home user needs to firewall themselves. If they leave themselves open in any way and their ip pops up as happy hunting grounds during some kiddies port scan of a range of ip's, guess who's going to be targeted?
For practice, to learn and to have bragging rights.
I don't agree with it and this is why even the average home user needs to firewall themselves. If they leave themselves open in any way and their ip pops up as happy hunting grounds during some kiddies port scan of a range of ip's, guess who's going to be targeted?
Resources and Bandwidth
Resources and Bandwidth
what TC said plus the fact that joe average has bank accounts and credit card info on their pc...their identities can be stolen....their pc can be zombified to be used in an attack against some joe unaverage, their pc can be used to hide and or relay illegal files, information, pornography....pretty much whatever they want...and that's really the point...it's a power trip at the very least....
what TC said plus the fact that joe average has bank accounts and credit card info on their pc...their identities can be stolen....their pc can be zombified to be used in an attack against some joe unaverage, their pc can be used to hide and or relay illegal files, information, pornography....pretty much whatever they want...and that's really the point...it's a power trip at the very least....
The real question is why wouldn't hackers be interested in hacking home computers?Quote:
Can somebody please tell me why would a real hacker be interested in hacking the average home computer?
How would they find your specific computer amid all the millions
of computers on the net?
I am realy interested to know this has been bothering me for some time
1.) It's easy. Security on the average home user's box is usually poor to non-existent.
2.) Bandwidth. There are more and more home users who are signing up to cable and *DSL.
3.) Resources. Hackers can run their cracking programs in the background on another box.
4.) Anonymity. You can hack a home user's box and then leapfrog to other boxes from there.
5.) Practice. Most home user's don't use logging. Hackers can hack away for as long as they like uninterrupted.
6.) Curiosity. Hackers are naturally curious. They want to know everything that they don't know.
7.) They might feel like being destructive. Some people are just twisted.
8.) They might want to steal personal information (eg. CC's #'s)
The list goes on... ;)
The real question is why wouldn't hackers be interested in hacking home computers?Quote:
Can somebody please tell me why would a real hacker be interested in hacking the average home computer?
How would they find your specific computer amid all the millions
of computers on the net?
I am realy interested to know this has been bothering me for some time
1.) It's easy. Security on the average home user's box is usually poor to non-existent.
2.) Bandwidth. There are more and more home users who are signing up to cable and *DSL.
3.) Resources. Hackers can run their cracking programs in the background on another box.
4.) Anonymity. You can hack a home user's box and then leapfrog to other boxes from there.
5.) Practice. Most home user's don't use logging. Hackers can hack away for as long as they like uninterrupted.
6.) Curiosity. Hackers are naturally curious. They want to know everything that they don't know.
7.) They might feel like being destructive. Some people are just twisted.
8.) They might want to steal personal information (eg. CC's #'s)
The list goes on... ;)
Forgive my semi-rant here... not at TechieChick by any means, but more directed to the subject-at-hand (which tends to upset me quite a bit sometimes).Quote:
Originally posted here by TechieChick
For practice, to learn and to have bragging rights.
I don't agree with it and this is why even the average home user needs to firewall themselves. If they leave themselves open in any way and their ip pops up as happy hunting grounds during some kiddies port scan of a range of ip's, guess who's going to be targeted?
I think it's all about the whole "I 0wnz ya" crap - no learning really involved, since they're using someone else's code to do who-knows-what simply so they can look at someone else's pr0n or whatever. A "feeling of power" I guess someone said... though, in reality, these losers are often (*warning* broad generality approaching) egotistical, lonely teenage boys that have nothing better to do than "be 'lite" and show everyone just how wonderful they are...
Hence one of the reasons I dedicate a lot of my own time to creating systems that, at script-k1dd13 hands, look like they're wide open and vulnerable to many of these scriptz... in reality, they're honeypots that sit around and waste time for these morons. So far one of my favorites is the BO emulator... it's amazing how long it sometimes takes these morons to figure out that they're talking to a honeypot (running on a Solaris box or similiar) that isn't infected actually with BO but just gives them canned (or nonsense) responses.
Forgive my semi-rant here... not at TechieChick by any means, but more directed to the subject-at-hand (which tends to upset me quite a bit sometimes).Quote:
Originally posted here by TechieChick
For practice, to learn and to have bragging rights.
I don't agree with it and this is why even the average home user needs to firewall themselves. If they leave themselves open in any way and their ip pops up as happy hunting grounds during some kiddies port scan of a range of ip's, guess who's going to be targeted?
I think it's all about the whole "I 0wnz ya" crap - no learning really involved, since they're using someone else's code to do who-knows-what simply so they can look at someone else's pr0n or whatever. A "feeling of power" I guess someone said... though, in reality, these losers are often (*warning* broad generality approaching) egotistical, lonely teenage boys that have nothing better to do than "be 'lite" and show everyone just how wonderful they are...
Hence one of the reasons I dedicate a lot of my own time to creating systems that, at script-k1dd13 hands, look like they're wide open and vulnerable to many of these scriptz... in reality, they're honeypots that sit around and waste time for these morons. So far one of my favorites is the BO emulator... it's amazing how long it sometimes takes these morons to figure out that they're talking to a honeypot (running on a Solaris box or similiar) that isn't infected actually with BO but just gives them canned (or nonsense) responses.
...and I think that if half of these kidz were worth anything and half as good as they think they are, they'd actually try contributing to the security community rather than simply trying to destroy or "0wn" everything.
...and I think that if half of these kidz were worth anything and half as good as they think they are, they'd actually try contributing to the security community rather than simply trying to destroy or "0wn" everything.
Thanks a million everyone!!!!!
Its answers like this that make AO great
I have asked this question at all our local comp shops and nobody could give me a satisfactory
answer.
I want to setup my home network to access the net for my kids homework and need to make it as safe as possible for them.
once again thanks
mike/manveru
Thanks a million everyone!!!!!
Its answers like this that make AO great
I have asked this question at all our local comp shops and nobody could give me a satisfactory
answer.
I want to setup my home network to access the net for my kids homework and need to make it as safe as possible for them.
once again thanks
mike/manveru
draziw...I knew you weren't directing that at me. Problem is I could write three pages on this subject alone, I tend to get a bit wound up about this particular subject and you said it perfectly. Good job, thank you...
TC
draziw...I knew you weren't directing that at me. Problem is I could write three pages on this subject alone, I tend to get a bit wound up about this particular subject and you said it perfectly. Good job, thank you...
TC
Just a side note. IMHO as far as safe surfing for kids. You can install tons of software for the safety of your kids. Though being curious as kids are and the computer litterate kids in school and what they learn. Most kids can circumvent parental software. It's not that hard. Of course you can install key loggers and spy tools. This just goes to break the trust barrier if they ever find out. It's in their rebelleous mode. I recommend to all my clients as far as at home commputers go. Make it a family affair when they need to go to the web. No software or practice can beat go old fashioned parental supervision. I never let my daughter on the web alone because all the pervs and creaps and her natural curiousity. Any of those can get your kids in trouble period. Besides browsing the web together can be and enriching and bonding experiance that you and they both can enjoy.Quote:
Originally posted here by titanmike
I want to setup my home network to access the net for my kids homework and need to make it as safe as possible for them.
A little PS. Keep them off of AIM. If you keep up with the news a lot of pedo's and cyberstalkers use stolen AOL accounts etc.. to make contact with children. Or they pretend to be a peer of the same age sex etc.. to lure them in. Like I said, you can't beat good ole' parental involvement and supervision.
Just a side note. IMHO as far as safe surfing for kids. You can install tons of software for the safety of your kids. Though being curious as kids are and the computer litterate kids in school and what they learn. Most kids can circumvent parental software. It's not that hard. Of course you can install key loggers and spy tools. This just goes to break the trust barrier if they ever find out. It's in their rebelleous mode. I recommend to all my clients as far as at home commputers go. Make it a family affair when they need to go to the web. No software or practice can beat go old fashioned parental supervision. I never let my daughter on the web alone because all the pervs and creaps and her natural curiousity. Any of those can get your kids in trouble period. Besides browsing the web together can be and enriching and bonding experiance that you and they both can enjoy.Quote:
Originally posted here by titanmike
I want to setup my home network to access the net for my kids homework and need to make it as safe as possible for them.
A little PS. Keep them off of AIM. If you keep up with the news a lot of pedo's and cyberstalkers use stolen AOL accounts etc.. to make contact with children. Or they pretend to be a peer of the same age sex etc.. to lure them in. Like I said, you can't beat good ole' parental involvement and supervision.
their has been an increase in hacks on home computers for 1 reason that is buisnesses have been securing them selves more and more and kids are getting lazy well being 17 i know what its like i get bored easily and so if something doesnt work i go find something else to do i guess its a bit like that if they cant get in using the legeions of toys then they move on
and they mostly move on somewhere thats easy to hack ie the average user vause they lack security
RiOtEr
their has been an increase in hacks on home computers for 1 reason that is buisnesses have been securing them selves more and more and kids are getting lazy well being 17 i know what its like i get bored easily and so if something doesnt work i go find something else to do i guess its a bit like that if they cant get in using the legeions of toys then they move on
and they mostly move on somewhere thats easy to hack ie the average user vause they lack security
RiOtEr
The truth is that there is no reason to hack another normal person, or a business. But its the same with robbery. Why rob a normal person rather than a rich company? In the end it doesnt matter who you rob as long as you get what you want. Just remember these activities are no different than any other criminal activities.
The truth is that there is no reason to hack another normal person, or a business. But its the same with robbery. Why rob a normal person rather than a rich company? In the end it doesnt matter who you rob as long as you get what you want. Just remember these activities are no different than any other criminal activities.
A real hacker has no interest in home users boxes...
Why hack a home user?
Gathering info on that person for some obscure use.
Using the bandwidth.
Launching DoS attacks via those boxes.
Using those boxes as proxies.
I would say being a general jackass is the only real answer :D
A real hacker has no interest in home users boxes...
Why hack a home user?
Gathering info on that person for some obscure use.
Using the bandwidth.
Launching DoS attacks via those boxes.
Using those boxes as proxies.
I would say being a general jackass is the only real answer :D
Why hack a home user? I did this constantly for at least a year with variant backdoors. Why did I do it? Practice, and experience as TechieChic has stated. Not to mention there is valuble information on home pc's that can be used to the hackers advantage. Credit card info, passwords, RAS passwords(free internet), and info on the person, using the computer just to be mean and a terrorist. I have long since put this behind me. But I think the experience was much needed to be the security analyst that I am today.
I understand that if the hacker needed more valuble info he could attempt a break in to a pay website, rummaging through there files, eventually finding there cache of CC's and Social Security Numbers, Member Info, ect....
But the home computer can be compromised and hacked without any concequences.
Thats why. No consequences.
hmm i know one reason.. some hackers/crackers wants to use the computer of joe average as a drone..
yeah yeah, port redirect....Quote:
Originally posted here by s0nIc
hmm i know one reason.. some hackers/crackers wants to use the computer of joe average as a drone..
perhaps the best reason of all, in my oppinion, is info gathering. If a hacker is serious about breaching a company, he/she will first
get a list of employees somehow (newspaper, website) then track their web presence down (search on MSN, AIM, Yahoo). Then said
hacker would go down that list and try to get as much information from each person as possible. Since most people choose
very simple passwords (unless the sysadmin really knows his stuff and forbids dict words) which can be easily cracked if a little personal
info is know. Or a really good hacker would skip the personal intrusion and just social engineer the proper info or passwords out of Joe User