School Project, help appreciated !

Hello,

I'm a danish student from Denmark, currently doing a school project about hacking, computer security and subjects alike. We have many unanswered questions, and are eager to know more.

One thing that struck us as very interesting was the program known as "Back Orifice"...

However, we were unable to obtain the link to this, and were hoping that maybe someone in here could provide us with a working link. Also, links to other usefull information pages would be very helpful. And for the record, we have no intentions of using the program "Back Orifice" for any kind of illegal and/or unethical ways. Our intention is to do sort of a show and tell, demonstrating "Back Orifice" on two of the school computers.

As mentioned above, any help will be highly appreciated... If you chose to go into further depth with helping us, we'll even send you a copy of our assignment, which already contains detailed analysis' of the different aspects of hacking, programs, etc. It might even educate you...

On advance, thank you.

Cheers,
Group members, A, J & K.

Back Orfice. Try searching Google before you ask simple questions like where you can find popular software. :mad:

So, you're going to demonstrate Back Orfice on two of the school computers? Is that wise?

Send me your assignment via PM, so I can look at it. ;)

Hi,
Here at AO we (at least I am) are normally suspicious of such requests. Why don't you post some of the work you have already done and let us look at it. I'm sure the knowledgeable people here will be glad to offer pointers and suggestions. You will probably get a better response if people know your request is legitimate.

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Back Orfice. Try searching Google before you ask simple questions like where you can find popular software.

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Aha, well, sorry. All we found was dead links and the likes.

Also, the link you gave us provided nothing but virus infected files. School virus detectors are constantly updated and very much up to date. So, unless the file Orifice2K.sfx is SUPPOSED to be a "usable" virus, well...

We really don't feel like getting the computers hacked or shut down just yet, we would like to finish our project first thank you...

And we would also like to finish and edit our project before we hand it out to anyone. Our deadline is set to be the 10th of June.

Cheers

Yes, asking for Back Orfice is somewhat suspicious, although there are valid reasons for doing so. As preacherman suggested, post your articles etc. up here so that we know what you want to do and can tell that you want help for legitimate purposes.

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Also, the link you gave us provided nothing but virus infected files. School virus detectors are constantly updated and very much up to date. So, unless the file Orifice2K.sfx is SUPPOSED to be a "usable" virus, well...

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Hmmm... here's an interesting thought:
You request a link to a virus and when you fint it the antivirus software tells you it's infected!
think about it a minit or two i'm sure it will hit you!

Sounds like someone in the mailbag! :D

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Originally posted here by mOo-Cow
Aha, well, sorry. All we found was dead links and the likes.

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I beg to differ, if you search for back orfice on Google, you will find that the top link takes you to the Cult of the Dead Cow site, who are the people behind BO2K.

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Also, the link you gave us provided nothing but virus infected files. School virus detectors are constantly updated and very much up to date. So, unless the file Orifice2K.sfx is SUPPOSED to be a "usable" virus, well...

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BO2K is *not*, I repeat *not*, a virus. It is a trojan horse, which is something completely different (although it still can be classed as malicious software). Your virus detectors however would likely pick it up as such.

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We really don't feel like getting the computers hacked or shut down just yet, we would like to finish our project first thank you...

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Install BO2K on a machine that isn't connected to any network (including the Internet) and you should be safe.

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And we would also like to finish and edit our project before we hand it out to anyone. Our deadline is set to be the 10th of June.

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Hang on, a minute ago you were offering your project to us so that we could see what you were doing. Now you say you don't want to hand it out. I find that somewhat suspicious.

Also, don't expect members of AO, or indeed anyone else, to do your homework for you, especially if you can't be bothered to search the web beforehand and give us as much information as possible.

Also,what are your other questions? If you're interested in something other than Bo2k, why don't you post that?

Hmm from experience BO2K or what ever the current file name will be stopped by even the weakest AV proggy..
sorry guys.. why not down load RTVNC.. most of the fun just none of the naughty bits.. oh an most AV's won't worry about it.. now for your next problem... The policies on your schools computers.. but that between you and your schools sys-admin..

cheers

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Originally posted here by preacherman481
Hi,
Here at AO we (at least I am) are normally

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Originally posted here by pwaring

I beg to differ, if you search for back orfice on Google, you will find that the top link takes you to the Cult of the Dead Cow site, who are the people behind BO2K.

Also, don't expect members of AO, or indeed anyone else, to do your homework for you, especially if you can't be bothered to search the web beforehand and give us as much information as possible.

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/me really really agrees with the Google-advice but reminds that this person doesn't expect anyone to do his homework, he was trying to get a link to BO.

I don't see the point not giving these links people request, they can be found with Google in less than a minute and sure they will somehow get the links if people here don't give them. I just mean that if the rationale is even as good as in this message and the program is not the kinda thing that kills the whole internet, we should give the advice. Not links to actual viruses, they're bad stuff, but like Back Orifice... One can easily protect oneself against it with a properly configured firewall and a trojan/virus/spyware scanner..

Common you guys. Let the guy have a link. Back Orifice can hardly be called a threat anymore. If someone installs, even an old virus scanner, it will pick it up. (the obvious reason for the virus alert when you scanned for viruses) They will get in trouble and learn a lesson from it all (well hopefully). It can be found, by clicking on security downloads on antionlines main page. It it is not there, go to blackcode.com it is in there archives.

If you want to demonstrate remote control software (which is what it is) go to web attack ( www.webattack.com ) and download specrem it's freeware and has the same kind of features but isn't a trojan (it'll do what you need it too do) Hope This Helps

Your friendly neighbourhood omen

P.S Has any one seen spiderman yet if so is it worth going to see on Jun 14th when ut gets realeased in old blighty (england)

Cheers

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Originally posted here by THE-OMEN
P.S Has any one seen spiderman yet if so is it worth going to see on Jun 14th when ut gets realeased in old blighty (england)

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It was a good movie. I enjoyed it. That's my opinion though.

http://tlsecurity.net should have remote control programs
Try sub7, its better than BO, is what I heard.
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=133897 < - - good links
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=218093 < - - good links

I hope your not faking about a school project to get these programs....

Backorifice is cult of the dead cow's Sir Dystic's program,
www.cultdeadcow.com
You can ask him about it too

!cough.bullshit.cough! hey seonce someone gives you a link to the easiest thing in the world to find, send me your ip addres and ill give you a lil demonstration.

Well, thanks for the flaming ??... Geez. Well, not everyone are as educated with computers and whatever as you guys, we are just trying to learn here dammit.

And right, we actually have a questionnaire ready which we where supposed to use to interview an hacker. I will post the questionnaire when I get back to school tomorrow, and I hope you guys will reply. There is about 15 questions concerning hacking - and not programs as such but just as much what hacking is about, why you hack, the tension behind hacking, public views and such... AND I'M NOT A ****ING HACKER. I have no interest in hacking, I'm just trying to get this project done flawlessly cuz our stupid teachers sez we gotta do it !...

However... Hacking is an appealing line of work... ;)

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Originally posted here by mOo-Cow
Well, thanks for the flaming ??... Geez. Well, not everyone are as educated with computers and whatever as you guys, we are just trying to learn here dammit.

And right, we actually have a questionnaire ready which we where supposed to use to interview an hacker. I will post the questionnaire when I get back to school tomorrow, and I hope you guys will reply. There is about 15 questions concerning hacking - and not programs as such but just as much what hacking is about, why you hack, the tension behind hacking, public views and such... AND I'M NOT A ****ING HACKER. I have no interest in hacking, I'm just trying to get this project done flawlessly cuz our stupid teachers sez we gotta do it !...

However... Hacking is an appealing line of work... ;)

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I'll reply to your questionaire.

Q 1 have you ever hacked into a computer illegaly?

Q 2 what site and when.

Q 3 how did you do it (please provide documentation)

Q 4- 12 please provide additional instances that may incriminate you in seperate court prosecutions.

Q 13 your address name and date of birth.

OOOOcomooonnnn who are you where do you live and the name of the school and teacher please.. lol
any teach would be happy with info cut and pasted from just about any web site full of information.

If you want to learn how to hack/crack/ phreak...etc. search and read its all out there trust me.

is this a flame? sorry..

Hm... Look, Seeker. I don't want to hack, crack, phreak or whatever. And I have already read 100's of the threads in here, with great interest. I have printed out 40+ pages with extremely interesting information. But what you obviously haven't had in school, is marketing.

A questionnaire is a bunch of questions asked to a larger amount of group. You people aren't the only ones who will be asked the questions, I will post tomorrow. I'm merely trying to give a **** here, and to get my assignment done. Our assignment involves making a questionnaire and getting it answered, properly. The fact that I have now have access to hacking "geniouses" world wide, through this site - people who are seemingly helpful and who also seem to give a ****, is just a very pleasant thought.

I read someones thread on flaming by the way - very interesting reading. I guess should have searched Google properly initially - but here comes my explanation for this.

One of my group members, Anders, actually had visited the site of the dead cow cult or whatever, but he had apparently clicked a dead link, and we had moved on, believing that the site wasn't online anymore - due to legal issues probably. Afterwards we weren't able to find this Back Orifice, probably because we aren't "1337" with the usage of internet. Then we encountered this site, and decided to ask you people how to find it, as it seemed like an easy solution.

We are in no way trying to make you people make our homework, but we have a tight deadline, and 25 pages to write + analyse the whole issue + make a giant powerpoint presentation + make a simulated hack attack + present the whole thing, whichs means we have to prepare the presentation and rehearse it. We have little more than a week left, and so on and so on and so on...

Cheers

http://anticode.antionline.com/downl...kdoors&sortby=

Perhaps if you go there, you will find what you are looking for. Try actually seeing what this site has to offer, other than just the forums.

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A questionnaire is a bunch of questions asked to a larger amount of group. You people aren't the only ones who will be asked the questions, I will post tomorrow. I'm merely trying to give a **** here, and to get my assignment done. Our assignment involves making a questionnaire and getting it answered, properly. The fact that I have now have access to hacking "geniouses" world wide, through this site - people who are seemingly helpful and who also seem to give a ****, is just a very pleasant thought.

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OK Mate, post your questionaire, most people here are quite capable of making their own decisions. They will either choose to help you and answer the questionaire, or they will choose to ignore you. (or potentially flame your ass off if you ask a bunch of lame questions).


Cheers:

C'mon, give the guy a break....

I've seen step by step tutorials on hacking netbios posted on the board for anyone with good OR BAD intentions to use and yet when someone asks the most basic question about stuff that is well known in the hacking community that person gets flamed like hell... Lets at least be consistent...

I mean, this guy, to me, has obviously no malicious intents, and even if he did, what in the world would it change if one more person, out of (tens of) thousands, knew where to download BO2K and how to use it??!?!

Lets give peolpe like this the benefit of the doubt at least... It's not as if he came in with the classic "how do I hack hotmail"....

Ammo

PS: I'll anwser your servey if you post it....

Its my nature to trust no one untill I have a reason to or no other choice, but you are right ammo. Ask away mOo..

a few books i can think of... fiction, but funxional.

william gibson : neuromancer, count zero... a few i cannot recall right now :(

i'll answer. could be entertaining.

as for the program, if you haven't found it yet with the links given to you, i don't know what to tell you. good luck on the assignment.

Kudos for the use of the English language... but...

Honestly, checking the BO files for viruses and finding viruses... erm... yes, you should expect that, shouldn't you? The virus scanner will most likely detect both server and client anyway. I've replied to posts before which were asking where they could find a "virus-free" version of some trojan software.

As for the survey... There is no practical way to make sure your sample group is actually composed of "hackers". This is due to both a wide variety of interpretations of the word, and also to the fact that kiddies would abound, and any unlikely-but-possibly-present major crackers wouldn't want to give out information.

what is wrong with pointing the guy to cultdeadcow.com ? it's where you can read all about WHY it whas created and what Sir Dystic (who appeared on CNN several times) wants to achieve, he challenges M$ security, just visit the site and stop flameing each other, it's not like the guy asked to be told how to hack.

Bet you didnt know the file you are looking for is right here on antionline

http://anticode.antionline.com/downl...kdoors&sortby=

BO2k --->latest version of Back Orface .... I didnt check the file thou to make sure it is what it is for I am on a corprate network right now and I dont feal like getting fired today.

Ok, here I go again everybody...

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Can I ask a question or two? What kind of teacher assigns you a project requiring you to run
a trojan on school boxes? Why hasn't anyone else asked this yet? Why in hell do you need 25+ pages on this project? Why do you come to a security site and describe us as "hacking geniouses (sic)"? Pardon me, but I'm a skeptical person by nature, your comments don't add up, (a project on back orifice has nothing to do with "marketing"!!!) and I need some proof, here. Can you post the original project sheet that the teacher handed out? (and don't try to tell me that there wasn't one!) Can you, in fact, provide us with ANY information that you are doing a school project? And another thing - after however many years you've been taking computer courses (and it must have been a few, to get a "project" like this), why are you unskilled at searching the internet...? ? ? One second...
Quoted directly from http://www.google.ca:
"Searched the web for back orifice. Results 1 - 10 of about 105,000. Search took 0.06 seconds. "
And you say you cannot find anything. Honestly. I think, if you're even telling the truth about the project, you must be horribly lazy and expecting us to get this information for you. One thing about visiting a site based on computer security, and you will learn this rapidly - we are not morons. We've been here long enough to become cynical and suspicious, and take nothing at face value. And, as much as we hate to admit it, we enjoy nothing more than phlaming the **** out of stupid s'kiddies who lie to us. So either cough up some evidence, or prepare to be the bearer of many little red boxes.
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SSJVegeta-Sei

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Originally posted here by SSJVegeta-Sei
Ok, here I go again everybody...

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Can I ask a question or two? What kind of teacher assigns you a project requiring you to run
a trojan on school boxes? Why hasn't anyone else asked this yet? Why in hell do you need 25+ pages on this project? Why do you come to a security site and describe us as "hacking geniouses (sic)"? Pardon me, but I'm a skeptical person by nature, your comments don't add up, (a project on back orifice has nothing to do with "marketing"!!!) and I need some proof, here. Can you post the original project sheet that the teacher handed out? (and don't try to tell me that there wasn't one!) Can you, in fact, provide us with ANY information that you are doing a school project? And another thing - after however many years you've been taking computer courses (and it must have been a few, to get a "project" like this), why are you unskilled at searching the internet...? ? ? One second...
Quoted directly from http://www.google.ca:
"Searched the web for back orifice. Results 1 - 10 of about 105,000. Search took 0.06 seconds. "
And you say you cannot find anything. Honestly. I think, if you're even telling the truth about the project, you must be horribly lazy and expecting us to get this information for you. One thing about visiting a site based on computer security, and you will learn this rapidly - we are not morons. We've been here long enough to become cynical and suspicious, and take nothing at face value. And, as much as we hate to admit it, we enjoy nothing more than phlaming the **** out of stupid s'kiddies who lie to us. So either cough up some evidence, or prepare to be the bearer of many little red boxes.
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erm...did you ever think he might have just gotten an assignment that said something like "do a paper on anything you want relating to computers" or even better, a group assignment that they could pick the topic? perhaps you should wait till you get a bit further on in school before you deside that every teacher everywhere gives out extremely spefic guidlines for any paper they assign.

in other words, grow up and deal with it...if he's just a script kiddiot then he would have found it anyway, but if he's an actuall student perhaps he was actually having trouble and just got some help? and does it make you feel bigger to threaten him ("So either cough up some evidence, or prepare to be the bearer of many little red boxes.")? does that make you feel like more of a man? are you perhaps compensating for something thats too small by having a big attitude?

hmm here's my private collection of trojans.. well not my site buy my number one source..


http://www.multimania.com/cdcorg/trojans.html

way back when i was doing my course, we also did thesame project. it was part of studying Network Security.. we were assigned to note any information we could get on a trojan attack.. we used 2 trojans Back Orifice and NetBus.. we basically studied the attack's behaviour, its connectivity.. ect etc etc..

so i guess mr Moo-Cow should deserve the benefit of a doubt, and shouldnt be judged immidately. i agree his request was very suspicious but if what he is saying is not true, what goes around comes around.

and again.. take care of yourself and eachother.

and btw, i'd like to try answering mOo-Cow's questionare... mOo-Cow, just pm me the questionare..

this could be a good chance for me to set things straight...

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Originally posted here by mOo-Cow


Aha, well, sorry. All we found was dead links and the likes.

Also, the link you gave us provided nothing but virus infected files. School virus detectors are constantly updated and very much up to date. So, unless the file Orifice2K.sfx is SUPPOSED to be a "usable" virus, well...

We really don't feel like getting the computers hacked or shut down just yet, we would like to finish our project first thank you...

And we would also like to finish and edit our project before we hand it out to anyone. Our deadline is set to be the 10th of June.

Cheers

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I kinda hate to point this out to you, as I think pwaring already did, but back orifice is a trojan and, as such, should be picked up by even the most primitive of virus scanners. If you don't want your computers hacked or broken in to, you shouldn't be playing with the likes of BO now, should you?

And, yes... it's old but it's still a serious threat (one of my Solaris boxen still gets regular connections of h2ck0rz trying to fish around on it for information - funny how it always gives them back completely nonsensical information, though... and they never do seem to manage to reboot the thing, though they almost always try).

One word: fl000000t!

Does anyone else smell gas?

So if you have the permission from the school to do this project, whats stopping you from using 2 of thier machines, and a hub to simulate the attack? You say you dont want to infect the school network, so dont. As far as getting the program, as many have said, you can get it... just DISABLE the virus protection on the TWO ISOLATED MACHINES and clean them when you are done.

Good luck.
Avenger

@8*B@LL -

First, as for being far on in school, I'm finishing my last year now.
Second, it's not so much a threat - you and I both know what will happen if his is a kiddiot.
Third, teachers don't assign a paper like that without first approving the topic. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but he hasn't given any proof of that yet.
All I'm trying to say is don't charge blindly in and give this guy all of the info he needs - especially when it's that easy to find on google.

SSJVegeta-Sei

SSJVegeta-Sei:
hey, first off sorry bout flaming ya like that...i prolly shoulda just made my point and gone on with it, but i had just come from annother forum that i post on where i was trying desperatly to explain to a few idiots that a certian program(modification for a game i play) is legit and not a cheat....lets just say that thread got a bit flamy and so i guess i just carried it over here :-/

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First, as for being far on in school, I'm finishing my last year now.

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yea, dun worry about that...i'll admit it was more of a personal attack to try to discredit what you had to say...well sorta.

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Second, it's not so much a threat - you and I both know what will happen if his is a kiddiot.

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yea, it probably will if he is, but he's already got 2 red boxes now and it just seemed to me like you were trying to play the big-bad guy...again, probably just cause i was in a bad mood.

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Third, teachers don't assign a paper like that without first approving the topic.

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well this is where i can start to make a civil debate:D. the truth of that statement relies on two things: 1) that you have had experiance which would be indicitave of all teachers in your education-related culture and 2) that the culture that he is from would deal with things like paper assignments the same way that the teachers generally do in your culture.

those are probably 2 flawed assumptions, as you definatly havent dealt with enough teachers to make a well based decesion of your general culture(this would take a large group and a solid scientific study, which i think i can safely assume you havent done:p), and teaching methods are known to vary quite a bit between cultures. also, even if you could say that you were 100% sure of those two assumptions, there is always that small percentage that gets the title of "other" in nearly study of this type...there is always the posibility that his teacher belongs to this group.(and just for the record, i HAVE had teachers give such assignments and not require approval, and i have also had times when the teacher knew so little about whatever i picked they just said OK because they had no reason not to, and i am from the North East USA)

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I'm not saying that it's impossible, but he hasn't given any proof of that yet.

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why does it matter THAT much? its not like we're giving him plans for a nuke or anything...i mean there isnt an AV in the world that doesnt detect BO2K.

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All I'm trying to say is don't charge blindly in and give this guy all of the info he needs - especially when it's that easy to find on google.

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wouldn't it be sufficent to just give him the link and suggest he searches google from now on before posting? i mean, just like you said it was incredibly easy to find(and i bet quite a few of the people here could have answered without even searching first), so you didnt really waist any time of note. is it that big of a deal that he didnt know wtf he was doing and doenst really know his way arround the net? like i said before, a simple "next time search google and you should get the answer long before you will by posting here" would do, and f they continue to post things without searching, then i'd be all for telling them to f off and find it themselves, but thats not really the case here.

i do realise that rule #1 is to search before you post questions just about ANYWHERE on the net, but i kinda think people take it a bit too far when responding to people who havent.

Yes, you're right on most counts. I was in a bad mood myself ;)
I forgot to consider the difference between the Canadian and Danish educational system - over here, teachers believe several things:
First, that they know more than their students.
Second, that students are always trying to undermine them.
Third, that "education" is forcing students to memorize and regurgitate useless facts.
If the Danish schools are giving them a PRACTICAL education, I can entirely approve.
Hey, here's an interesting fact about Canada:
In two weeks, our government goes on their FOUR MONTH SUMMER BREAK!!! The whole ****ing parliament takes a summer vacation!
On the other hand, the country runs a lot smoother when parliament is not in session...
Still, it's messed.
Back to the topic at hand, I think maybe we both got a little overwrought, 8*B@LL. Let's just both calm down a bit ;)
I'll be better once exams are over, all.

SSJVegeta-Sei