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I know that a script kiddie is a newbie. But how good (errrh... bad :D ) is a newbie?? Hacked 5 computers and you are a "normal"?? Or maybe very good knowledge of computers or programming?? I know computer and programming better than all of my friends (and some more ;) ) but I've never hacked a computer. I'm understanding the idea but don't know how. Am I a newbie or "normal"???
Being a newbie isn't the exact description of a scriptkiddie. A scriptkiddie is someone that cracks computers using tools provided by others, or, to put it in other words, someone who uses automatic tools to hack computers. The recognisable part of a scriptkiddie is that he has no idea what he's exactly doing, he does not know which bugs he exploits, or how he exploits them.
i think that you are definitely a newbie only because you don't have an understanding of what it is you are trying to be. "hackers" don't HAVE to hack peoples puters to be "normal" as you put it. there is so much more to the term. besides, most people except newbies don't really aspire to be a "hacker" because of the media connotation. many people have changed what they call themselves to "security expert". but no there is no set number of puters you have to hack, it's more of a mentality and a skill level.
Well towards computer engineering (if you know computers and programming) then you're quite an advanced user.
But if you have a good unerstanding of programming then I guess you should be able to understand certain exploits and problems with bad programming. In other words you're not a newbie. But then again, can you really do what you're written in your post?
I can't remember who said it, but the best one was "You are not a hacker, until another hacker calls you one." That doesn't mean that once some script kiddie calls you a hacker you are (because they are not). mafiaboy, the kid who took down ebay, and yahoo, and a few other places was a script kiddie. He took down a 1/2 dozen major sites, but that doesn't mean anything. He had a bunch of bots, so it was simple.
I am not sure what you mean by a "normal" Knowing more then your friends may make you more computer literate then they are, but if they are all 5 years old and never seen a computer, then you don't know much. If they are all programmers, then you may be a real hacker. Hacking isn't about running exploits on computers. Its about using you knowledge to make the computer do what you want it to.
depends on how/what/why u hacked them boxes... its always quality over quantity.. thats how a skill of a computer expert is based on..Quote:
Hacked 5 computers and you are a "normal"??
so what if mr leet haxor defaced 100 public library websites.. he is nothing compared to mr uber leet haxor who hacked 2 CIA/FBI servers.. get my point? and im not saying its good.. im just saying its how we base and identify or fingerprint our culprits...
I travel in a very computer literate circle. I disagree with the media's use of the term Hacker. What the media considers a hacker I consider a cracker or scriptkiddie. I perfer the traditional definition of a hacker -someone who throughly understands something and can use that knowledge in a creative way.
The following "
2) What is a hacker?
Good question. A hacker is someone who hacks. What is hacking?=20
Well, there is a definition of hack in the Jargon File/New Hacker's
Dictionary that tries to cover it. The Jargon File is an awesome
resource for anyone interested in computers, so you should go read it.=20
Here's the URL:
HTTP://www.ccil.org/jargon/jargon.html
In short, hacking is about using available technology in a creative
way to solve a problem. It can be a stupid problem and an ugly
solution, as long as it is a new and creative solution. Hacking
extends to all forms of technology, not just computers--using the
thighbone of an antelope to bash in the head of another antelope was
an excellent hack. Now that I've given a short definition of what
hacking is, I can try and tell you what isn't a hack. Hacking is not
about breaking things. It isn't about denial of service attacks or
pirated software or deleting or stealing other people's data. If you
are interested in doing any of these things, alt.hackers is going to
bore you. Try the alt.2600.* hierarchy if you're looking for that
sort of conversation. And call yourself a cracker, not a hacker.
" is from http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...ng.net&rnum=26
Cheers,
-D
Hackers vs. crackers: http://www.zion1459.dreamwater.org/cpc.htm
script kiddies mostly end up as crackers (but can turn to the good site and become hackers). Script kiddies now sh*t but hackung... they use other ppls scripts etc... the only thing worse the SKs is "click kiddiots" (the script kiddies little brother lmao :) the kids who love drag and drop proggies to crack 'puter security and don't know sh*t about anything at all)
Well said souleman, Guus, and the rest. You will not be a hacker until you prove you skills are good enough to break into a network of some sort, or if another hacker says your good. If you break into a system because it has file sharing, sure you hacked it, but you should be using all of your knowledge to make something happen that would allow you access. You're no hacker if you're a script kiddie, or if you're a lamer who just knows how to use a port scanner, and find an exploit someone else wrote and use it.
I would like to point out, script kiddies and newbies are totally different. Newbies are looking for knowledge. Script kiddies wish destruction. Script kiddies won't know what they're doing, as long as it worked and had a bad effect against their target. Newbies are new to the hacking scene, and are asking questions, and reading as much as they can to learn, and learn. They have found out, the great thing about a computer(well there are lots, but here is a good one), you can never know it all, there will always be something for you to learn. A newbie is good at this, a newbie should have a general knowledge of tcp, like ftp and telnet, they know how trojan horses work, they can program in some a a few languages, or know a good bit on one programming language, they could make a small exploit, they know some unix, etc..Quote:
I know that a script kiddie is a newbie. But how good (errrh... bad ) is a newbie??
I hope you don't end up hacking in to a computer a mess anything thing up. Try a wargame, http://www.pulltheplug.com, http://www.hackerslab.org. Or get permission to test the security. If you do break into anything, please patch the hole. Now I hope your in here for knowledge...tell me if you want any text files, tutorials, etc. you can use, I will always help someone willing to learn.
Notice he said that your skills are good enough to break into a network. He did NOT say you had to break into a network. I have been labeled a hacker by quite a few different people, yet I have NEVER broken into a network (ok, so maybe I have found passwords in html code and posted it on here, but that is about as simple as you can get). Being a hacker is about the knowledge and the ability, not actually doing it. I would use my knowledge to fix problems, not to exploit other systems.Quote:
You will not be a hacker until you prove you skills are good enough to break into a network of some sort, or if another hacker says your good.
Well said souleman. Think to yourself before you perform an illegal hack, is it really worth not being able to use a computer for like 5 years? If you do this for knowledge or challenge, and patch the hole, clear your logs, and do nothing else, honestly thats fine with me.
Here's my question...
What do we call those who know what they're doing, (i.e. hackers) but combine their skills with proggies (like the Kiddiots would use?)
It scares me what some 13 year old who is a comp savant could manage with this combination - brains and brawn. (shudders)
Script hackers? Khackers? Kid Crackers? I dunno... it's about 30 degrees Celcius in this room, so I'm not thinking so great ;)
SSJVegeta-Sei
Souleman: Perhaps it was from one of Eric Raymonds Pages.....Quote:
I can't remember who said it, but the best one was "You are not a hacker, until another hacker calls you one."
Source: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
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Accordingly, when you play the hacker game, you learn to keep score primarily by what other hackers think of your skill (this is why you aren't really a hacker until other hackers consistently call you one).
I am not so sure some 13 year old kid with that many brains would resort to scripts other than to modify to use in his/her current "0-day spl0it." You do pose a very good question, and I am kind of wondering myself if that does exist. I like your term "Khacker." heheQuote:
It scares me what some 13 year old who is a comp savant could manage with this combination - brains and brawn. (shudders)
Script hackers? Khackers? Kid Crackers? I dunno... it's about 30 degrees Celcius in this room, so I'm not thinking so great
Almost everyone that acually exploits other systems uses scripts at one point or another. Does a unix guru not run nmap while looking at a system. And maybe traceroute to map the network? And do they actually exploit the system by hand, or do they write a script to do it? Well, I guess that would depend on the person, but it is VERY rare that anyone hacks without using any scripts. So that person would still be a hacker/cracker/whatever (not going to get into the hacker vs cracker discussion).
At least that is my opinion. Here is a question for you SSJ. Would you consider me a hacker even though I have never compromised a server that I didn't have permission to? And the few times that I have done it were during security audits, so I used script kiddie tools to exploit the system, to show that anyone could do it that knew how to search the web. This is your question in reverse.
gstudios> It seems like I have seen it someplace else, but that does look like the quote. I thought it was from Aleph One, route, or Daemon9, but I might have been wrong. Thanks.
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Originally posted here by zion1459
Hackers vs. crackers: http://www.zion1459.dreamwater.org/cpc.htm
script kiddies mostly end up as crackers (but can turn to the good site and become hackers). Script kiddies now sh*t but hackung... they use other ppls scripts etc... the only thing worse the SKs is "click kiddiots" (the script kiddies little brother lmao :) the kids who love drag and drop proggies to crack 'puter security and don't know sh*t about anything at all)
good article...more newbs should read it...it probably will help straghtin lots of things for them