RAM editting

Hey guys, I ran into this problem and I wanted to know what caused it. I use RAM-state editors to cheat in games (after I beat them!). You know it works, look at a number, say, ammo. If it's like 47, you search for the number 47 in your RAM. Then you might get a couple thousand occurance, so you go back in the game and shoot a round, making it 46, and then in the results of your first search you search for 46. Continue until you find the exact location. Well, I did that. And it works for the time being. So I saved my results, and then I tried it later, and it doesn't work. So I re-did the process and I found different offsets than I had originally the first time, even in the same conditions (level, difficulty, etc.) Can anyone tell me why this happens? Does the game -- Unreal Tournament in this case -- use different sections of my RAM each time, or what? I don't get how it works.

Thanks for any info.

Ramzi

what do you use to look at what is in your ram locations?

I'm using a program called Seal 2.0. I found it here: http://www.astalavista.com/tools/utilities/game/

Ussually your computer uses the first free part of memory to use up. So maybe your operating system used up that part of memory and the game had to use a different part of the memory.

I thought my memory gets divided up among my different processes. So there would be a section of memory designated to the game, and it will have it's own offsets. What programs like the one shown above are supposed to do is alter specific offsets for desired results. I don't understand why, though, the same thing -- in the case ammo -- would be located in one offset one time and in another offset a second time. Maybe some of your programmers can answer this. Do your variables get stored in the same place everytime, or can the variables move?

i'm sorry but what does this have to do with M$ security ? (it'd be better if it was under general chit chat forum)
wouldn't you do better at a gaming site for this kind of question ?

lol

You'd be surprised what you can find in memory for certain programs. I've crashed various security measures locally (no big deal, if you have local access, and time, all problems vanish.)

Ramzi, even if you 'save' it and use it for values that are a certain distance from the start of the memory reserved for that program, the program itself may often take chunks of memory for various things that are of different sizes each time depending on different circumstances. The best advice I can give you is to write down the address the data you want is at, and the next time you need to search, try to restrict the search program to areas near that value in order to save time. (Often all player stats, for instance, or ammo stats, are in the same area of memory.)

If you are serious about memory hacking, i suggest winhack. There is a new version out that works really well for me. I am sure if you go to the forum at there website (I think it has one anyways. do a search on google) That you can find out what you have to do for that game. I use it all the time on BATTLEZONE! No, not the 80's game the newer one. And it works great. Winhack also offers the ability to be able to save changes from the ram, So you just open winhack and reinstate the changes you made instead of having to edit everything everytime the you want to hack the ram. good luck!

I think you should try using HexEditor.

sumdumguy, I thought about that before posting. I thought that maybe the Windows OS designates RAM differently than other OSs, also, I don't think that's there's a Mac or Linux version of UT. I may be wrong. Also, the program I was using was created for Windows, so... I posted in this forum to find out how, technologically, RAM works. I'm sure I could have done a Google search for Unreal Tournament trainers, or just typed in the infinite ammo code, but that's not what I'm going for. I'm trying to learn how it works. Just because I'm using a game in this case doesn't mean that the answers I was looking for would too far differently than any other computer application that uses RAM.

Terr, heh, I know. Having local access to any program makes hacking it so easy. I've hex editted a few programs before so I wouldn't have to pay for them (shh, don't tell anyone) but I haven't coded any cracks because I don't know how to program that well. Also, I noticed that yesterday. The offsets I found for ammo, although different, were not too far apart. Thanks for explaining how a program may use different chunks of memory for different circumstances. Really, that was the explanation I was looking for.

jackthekiller, thanks for the attempt. I weild a hex editor like a sharpened blade, but it's use isn't what I needed here. So you know, so it'll make your life easier if you ever need to hack something or cheat in a game, a hex editor allows you to change permanent files saved on your harddrive, whereas a RAM state editor allows you to alter temporarily saved values that are in your RAM, and not in a saved file on your harddrive that you can view. A lot of the time, games' save files do not save every value, but only some. (Like, in Super Mario Bros. 3 in Mario All-Stars, it'll save what world and level you got to, but it won't save how many coins you had and whether you were big Mario or not.) So you can only do so much with a hex editor, to get the most desired results, you need to hack the game while running with a RAM editor.

BlazeTech, thanks for the suggestions. I can't download it now, but I will later.

Thanks to everyone who helped.

Ramzi

Try the RAM editor at www.winhex.com. A nice piece of software.

jackthekiller: ramzi uses hex editors. But i dont think they would be as effective in this situation.