Is hacking really possible????

You know, i hear of people hacking programs with exploits and doin buffer overflow left and right, but i have never really ever heard of somebody hacking a plain jane computer running windows 98 and taking full controll. Is that even possible, no sub 7, no Backdoor aside from what microsoft probobly already has there. if anybody can, i would be willing to put my computer on the line just to see it. or not, if they think im trying to get sombody hacked which would be my mindset. its just that i have never really heard of that happening.

Everything is possible..With exploits its possible to take full control of computer...First u need to know security problem in that computer and then write .c file that couse security problem to become a hole..... and u gain commands executions...with command executions u can view admin passwords and etc. With buffer overflow u just crash or slow down the computer.

it doesn't have to be a program written in C to exploit a security bug....also most OSs do not allow you to see the passwords no matter what privs you have, so "cracking" the password file will probably need to be cracked....also buffer overflow are not normally used to slow down or crash a system, they are normally used to execute code...:) Just thought I would point this out...:P

I said a plain jane windows 98 se computer with no programs running aside from windows just connected to the net, i know programs can be exploited, but i have never heard of windows itself geting exploited except for Con Con

there are ways to get onto a plain win98 comp.
there have always been problems with ms's security management and especially the sharing setup..
.. but if you want to have full access and control you certainly need to install a trojan like sub7.

i would say the easiest way to solve your "problem" is to get into onto a shared device (you need to have access to the startup-folder); upload a trojan-server; and let the computer crash down, on the next restart (computer must start normally) server installs automatically and you have your full access..

..this is just one way of doing it.. greets

BlazeTech --

Post your IP and we'll let you know ;) Nah - didn't think so...

ehmm,
go to start>program>run and then type winipcfg, you will surely find ya IP adress ,
so all you have to do is post me ya IP and just sit back and relax, i will show you the rest!
how it's been done

it can be done and with some ease... no need for a trojan or anything. there are plenty of ms exploits... xp home edition actually has the best exploits for full control though....

yes it is possible, but my question is, who would really want to? you think a honest and true hacker really wants to intrude on your little 98 machine? for what? to look at your pr0n? maybe a script kiddie would bother, but of course, the script kiddie would just hit you with a RAT of some sort.
the purpose of hacking a node such as your 98 machine would be to get to bigger and better systems, for example, other machines on your network. the prime targets for hacking are servers, and other important systems running databases, email servers, web servers, etc. no windows 98 machine will be responsible for running these services, but by gaining some access to your 98 machine through file sharing exploits, etc, your system may reveal a vulnerablity or insecure password to other machines. that is the point of hacking. to get to the r00t of the network. not gaining control of soemone's 98 home pr0n machine.

what is an example of the xp home exploit... you are making me nervous when you all talk like this..?could you show an example of this..? is it really that "easy"...
thanks

Tosses his two cents in.

Personally, I could see the benifit of hacking into someones just plain jane win 98 system. Especially if this person is just a telecommuter who might have company files that they are bringing in from work. Also it would be possible, I think, to hack them especially if they have vpn installed. Wonder if you could use a trogen to gain access to there system, watch them just log right into vpn and steal there password that way? Even though I have just a simple win98 system at home with standard dialup, I make sure zonealarm is working every singe time I get online and often check programs to see what exe files might be presented there also. Im still working on making it a tighter system security wise, but could definatly see the importance of hacking into someones system, especially if I know that person works for the same company that I do, and I might not particulary like them.

again, my two cents worth.

I also see the benefits of hacking into someone's home computer. Many people do not leave their work 'at work' when they leave the office. Many business owners may have information on their home computers. Do you think that the owner of a huge corporation does not have a computer in their home office? :D And do you think that they have had one of their security people come over to make sure it is secure? Chances are, they have not.

[my 2 cents]

Not to mention that more and more people are banking online and balancing the checkbook and credit cards via a money manager (MS Money or Quicken) on their home computer.

Good point, didnt think about that. Have a friend of mine that does everything online, banking, ordering software, furniture, hell, he has even order groceries. Have been yelling at him to get some type of firewall up and running, za nortons, anything. Has yet to do so, told him its going to come and bit him on the ass one day.

It's amazingly easy to drop a keylogger on an open system, they bank, shop etc online and everything is logged with the keylogger.

Shopping at secure sites means nada if every key stroke you make is being recorded.

Just one word, Netbios

Sure, it's possible. I would think the biggest reason you don't hear much about windows98 exploits, is because they're not really necessary. Why bother writing an exploit for the OS when you can crack something much simpler (a resident program), and get the same thing accomplished? And there are ALWAYS resident programs on a computer that are ripe for exploitation. After all, what good is a computer that's just happily sucking up CPU cycles doing nothing?

TC:

Read a cool article the other day about how some hacker ransacked the pentegon. Only problem was that the server was located out west that was fully monitoring the section of the pentegon that the hackers went into. So...when they went to capture the crackers, they just posted the evidence and showed every single keystroke that the crackers made into the network. The article was about large hard drive capasities when useing monitoring devices. Was very informative. Sorta makes you want to second guess cracking into a government institution. *L*

These kids know about as much as you so there is no worry. There is always so much trash talk in these rooms. When it comes down to it people who really know wouldn't be telling you who they were and where they were from and what they could do. :confused:

If you want to hack a 98 box just go to Start>run>then type the \\ip\c$ of the box and if your lucky the c drive should pop up....thats because 98 still have a FAT file system, And as we all know FAT is not sercure at all.

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Originally posted here by a_420_hacker_24
If you want to hack a 98 box just go to Start>run>then type the \\ip\c$ of the box and if your lucky the c drive should pop up....thats because 98 still have a FAT file system, And as we all know FAT is not sercure at all.

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um...lol, win 98 does not have a default c$ share, and even if it did it would have NOTHING to do with FAT or FAT32, it has to do with windows file sharing system. NT and 2k(and probably XP pro) have default C$ shares, but they are restricted to useres in the administratior group on that box, and domain admins ect. so just randomly choosing a pc that had the C$ share would do nothing for you if you didnt have the username and pass of a member of that group(although it's usually pretty safe to assume that Administrator is a valid username).

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Originally posted here by 8*B@LL


um...lol, win 98 does not have a default c$ share, and even if it did it would have NOTHING to do with FAT or FAT32, it has to do with windows file sharing system. NT and 2k(and probably XP pro) have default C$ shares, but they are restricted to useres in the administratior group on that box, and domain admins ect. so just randomly choosing a pc that had the C$ share would do nothing for you if you didnt have the username and pass of a member of that group(although it's usually pretty safe to assume that Administrator is a valid username).

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It has everything to do with the file system, FAT has practicly no file permissions . NT, 2k and XP pro all use the NTFS file system which does use file permissions based on users & groups. It is not the "file sharining system", but the file system itself that is responsible for permisiions.

Let's use this as an example though. Lets say someone exploited a hole in IE that allowed read/write access to the users file system. If they were using FAT32 that person would have full read/write access to anywhere on the file system, if they were using NTFS that same person would be limited to the permissions of that user (unless of course the victom had admin privleges).

ug, i can't believ i'm about to go through this, but here goes:

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Originally posted here by Wickdgin


It has everything to do with the file system, FAT has practicly no file permissions.

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no, as i explained: 9x/me have no default c$ shares so it has nothing to do whith the file system loaded, it has to do with the ms defaults. and who the hell is going to create one for no reason WITH NO PASSWORD anyway?

thats what i thought.

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NT, 2k and XP pro all use the NTFS file system which does use file permissions based on users & groups. It is not the "file sharining system", but the file system itself that is responsible for permisiions.

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erm, lets get this straight: windows file and print sharing can be set up in several ways on any system. even on a 9x box you can set up passwords and permissions based on that password(ie one password for read access and annother for read/write access).

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Let's use this as an example though. Lets say someone exploited a hole in IE that allowed read/write access to the users file system.

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but we aren't talking about an IE exploit, we are talking about a guy who suggested trying to "hack" a 98 box using a c$ share.

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If they were using FAT32 that person would have full read/write access to anywhere on the file system

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yep.

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if they were using NTFS that same person would be limited to the permissions of that user (unless of course the victom had admin privleges).

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they would also be unrestrected if IE was for some reason running as system(like if it was a scheduled task for some odd reason)

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if you do not secure xp securely then there are much toooo many ways of getting into the sys.
the standard remote controll features and so on urgently need to be deactivated!! and the users that by default are set up must be deactivated and/or deleted...

this is absolutely necessary!

here is a really goo documentation helping to secure win xp:
http://web5.webhostshop.de/inhalt/gu...berwachung.pdf
only 1prob: GERMAN! might be youll be able to translate it (world.altavista.com or so)..
its great!!

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Originally posted here by a_420_hacker_24
If you want to hack a 98 box just go to Start>run>then type the \\ip\c$ of the box and if your lucky the c drive should pop up....thats because 98 still have a FAT file system, And as we all know FAT is not sercure at all.

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Umm, even while that is entirely incorrect, that's not hacking a box anymore than surfing to a website is, or connecting to an FTP server that has been misconfigured to allow uploads.

chsh - :)

Newbies want to hack win 98 now. Isn't that kinda old here in 02?